History of Clonmel

[Mick_Dolan86]

Is there any chance that you go to St Peters & St Pauls, and look up baptisms for me?

I tried that myself and they refused. Most churches will direct you to the dioscesan heritage centre. In this case in Waterford. But send me the names and dates and I'll try.

Also, if you could find out what church was known as "Scot's Church" St Mary's, Clonmel....would that have been the Protestant Church?

There's a St. Mary's Catholic Church and a St. Mary's Church of Ireland. The Scot's Church was a Methodist Church that was located in Duncan St as far as I can remember. I'll try and confirm that tonight.

[Mick_Dolan86]

Also, if you could find out what church was known as "Scot's Church" St Mary's, Clonmel....would that have been the Protestant Church?

Update. The Scot's Church was a Unitarian Church in Anglesey St built in 1838. The building is still standing. It's completely different from the Protestant, St. Mary's.

[Daisy Loo]

A Methodist Church?  okay...would that have been around in 1846?  That's where, according to the IGI, my GGG-Grandfather married my GGG-Grandmother.

As for the records.  I have been in touch with St Peter's and St Pauls, by phone and email.  She told me, that they still hold the original records there.  The query would go to the "Sacristan"? is that the right name?, and he would read/collect the info.  Unfortunately, this was several weeks ago.

If I didn't have 2 small nippers, I'd come down there myself.  I'm living in Connemara...so frustrating to be so close, yet so far!!

If you pm me your email, I can send you the copies of the transcribed baptisms that I have...I wanted to know if there was any further info listed on the entries, and I had also asked, if they could check further back, as the first baptism I have was 1855, yet their first child was born in 1849.  I have one birth/baptism still unaccounted for as well.

Thank you so much for offering though...very grateful.

[Daisy Loo]

Also, if you could find out what church was known as "Scot's Church" St Mary's, Clonmel....would that have been the Protestant Church?

Update. The Scot's Church was a Unitarian Church in Anglesey St built in 1838. The building is still standing. It's completely different from the Protestant, St. Mary's.

Wow, that's very interesting...what's Unitarian??  And the building is still standing.  Hmm...d'ye have a camera? 

[aghadowey]

The Scots Church was actually Presbyterian not Methodist or Unitarian- although all are Protestant denominations.
A History of Congregations in the Presbyterian Church in Ireland 1610-1982: CLONMEL PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH
Mr. John Dill ordained 1836... services held in the Courthouse...soon a handsome church was built... congregation transferred from Dublin to Cork Presbytery in 1843... "minister of Clonmel was a greatly honoured and much used minister. When he died on 5 Aug.1868 he shops of the town were closed partially from Wednesday to Saturday. The magistrates adjourned Petty Sessions sittings for one week and the funeral in the Scot's Church was crowded with Roman Catholics as well as Protestants."

[Mick_Dolan86]

Unitarianism is a bit confusing. The short version is they are christians who don't believe in the concept of the Holy Trinity or the divinity of Jesus.

I'm a bit confused though as to why Unitarians would have their children baptised in a Catholic Church. I'd imagine that without their converting to Catholicism and re-marrying in a Catholic Ceremony that they wouldn't have been allowed baptise their children as Catholics.

[aghadowey]

Presbyterian Churches in Ireland, as well as other countries are often known as the Scot's Church as a reference to their Scottish origins. You will see from excerpts about Clonmel Presbyterian Church that it was certainly know by this name and it is doubtful that a Unitarian Church would have been called Scot's.

[Daisy Loo]

Excellent!  Aghadowey, you're a great help to me today  I have been trying to find history on this Church for a while now.  That's fantastic.  Thanks.  Where did you get that info from, no amount of googling came up with anything for me

Oh my!  Have just checked the marriage cert I have for them...and it was signed by John Dill.  This is brilliant!

Would you be able to tell me what this bit says:

[Mick_Dolan86]

The Scots Church was actually Presbyterian not Methodist or Unitarian- although all are Protestant denominations....

Presbyterian sounds a bit more likely alright. The aforementioned Sean O'Donnell says that it was Unitarian in his book.