parish registers dudley worcestershire

[janine sargent]

Hi Linell,
I am planning a visit to Coseley as I live in Dudley!  Thank you for your help. 
Janine

[lynne georgina]

Hi, Janine. Lucky you living in Dudley, where the clue to our family breakthrough is held!! We've visited Dudley several years ago and found some records that helped us, but were unable to find my husbands's G G Grandfather's baptism. His siblings' baptism records, even death records(as children), are there, but not his baptism. I wonder if I could be cheeky enough to ask you to check behind us next time you're over there? When we visited, we were well organised, even booked to stay overnight to give us plenty of time to search, but in the end the office was closing just as we realised we needed to search again.
If it's too much, I quite understand, but I am unable, due to health issues, to travel as I used to and this would help me so much if you can.
Just let me know if its possible and I'll post some details for you here. The Surname is McCarrick, so it's not a Smith/Jones kind of challenge. Here's hoping!! I've got everything crossed ....hope I don't fall over!!!! Best regards, Lynne McCarrick

[hemmy]

Hi Linell
I have ancestors who married in St. Thomas, Dudley, both were born Kinver, Staffordshire.  I had assumed they lived in Dudley around the 1835 marriage, but after reading your message on Oldbury, I wondered if St. Thomas was the nearest church for Kinver.

Heather

[linell]

Hi Heather, no St Thomas is not the nearest Church to Kinver.  They may have gone off and Married there, for some reason?  Our Ancestors did go off and Marry further away if they were trying to conceal the fact that they were Marrying, maybe a pregnancy, or Cousins Marrying, or perhaps, they already lived as man and wife and didn't want anyone to know they weren't Married in the first place.  What are the names, have you found them on the 1841 Census?  Best Wishes from Linell.

[hemmy]

Hi Linell

This is rather a mystery.  Too long a story to put on here!!
The 1835 m gives names as John Hemmings and Eliz. Hartland, bot signed with an 'x'
After that no census, b,m,d records until I discovered the name as Yeomans.  Then I found them on census 1851-1891 and b,m,d's for family.  The only census I have not found them on is 1841. 
Eliz. was about 8yrs older than John, she was b. approx 1807 and John approx. 1815.  So maybe there is something in them marrying in Dudley, I am sure the 1851 census has them in Staffordshire.

Thanks,
Heather

[linell]

Hi Heather, so did John change his name from Hemmings to Yeomans?  I found them on some of the Census's, looks as though he was born and bread in Kinver, which is as you say in Staffordshire, but on the boarder of Worcestershire.  I have the 1841 Census disc for Kinver.  I had a look for them, they are probably there but it is so difficult to read some of the names.  I did find an Allender Family in Kinver in 1841 and 1851 living at The Hyde,  John and Ann Allender, both aged 40, wonder if they were connected to Eliza Allender who is in the Yeoman household in 1851?  Do you know who the Marriage Witnesses were to the Marriage of John and Elizabeth?  Was Elizabeth a Widow when she Married John? Best Wishes from Linell.

[hemmy]

Hi Linell, The name has not been legally changed as far as I know.  I don't know if, due to both signing the parish marriage in 1835 with an 'x', whether this was wrong, perhaps a dialect mis-pronunciation.  Best maid is Mary Bennitt and Best Man is Thos. (not sure of handwriting on this one) Alen?  Cert. gives John as Bachelor and Eliz. as Spinster and states both are of this parish (Dudley).  L Booker or Rooker is the Vicar.
John Yeomans b1847, (the son) married twice in England under that name, but when he came to Scotland in 1890, his name is George Hemmings (John had a bro. Geo who died in infancy, John was about 5yrs when his bro. died).

Hope you don't mind me asking, do you have Tipton 1841 in your collection?  I have a copy of enum. dist 12, pge 15 & 16.  I only recently noticed at top of p15, there is a Betsey Hartland aged 6mths, would like to have details on rest of her family who will be on p14.  If you have this and don't mind me asking, I'd greatly appreciate your help.
Thanks
Heather

[linell]

Hi Heather, the X on the Marriage Entry is where they made their mark, they couldn't read or write.  Would be an idea to try and track down Mary Bennett and see where she lived, and if she was related in some way.  Thomas Allen was a Church Warden and is on a lot of Dudley Marriage Entries for that time period.

Funny that both John and his son changed their names, you could of course call yourself what you liked back then, there were no laws against it, it was quite common, more so than we think.

Willl see if I can find Betsey Hartland in Tipton and get back to you.  Best Wishes from Linell.

[linell]

Hi Heather, I found Betsey, John and Elizabeth Yeomans are on page 15:-

Dudley Road Tipton
Simon Hartland 36 Boatman Yes
Catherine 28 Yes

Hannah Hartland 45 Yes
Joseph 15 Coal Miner
Susannah 14
Sampson 13
Comfort 10
Betsey 6 months

Cresswells Wood Tipton (think it is Cresswell?)
John Yeomans 55 Labourer No
Elizabeth Yeomans 45 No
Hannah 15
Thomas 12
Elizabeth 8

Abraham Hartland 30 Labourer Yes
Hannah 35
Elizabeth 13
Samuel 11
Abraham 9
Sarah 10
Mary Ann 2

Looks as though Elizabeth came from Tipton, as all the Hartland family seem to be there, also found a Thomas and Maria Hartland ages 43 and 42 with lots of children on another page in Tipton.  HTH from Linell.