Mary Swales of Yorks

[Annette7]

You mention that the A to Z of Gipsy Genealogies Part One is a free download but I couldn't find it when I googled.

Can you please post the details of this site?

Annette

[king otg]

Yes, Annette 7,

The item you mention is available as a free download however everybody who has a copy is under strict copyright agreement not to pass it on to anybody else. The work is also password protected so you will receive the password at the right time.

If I were to place the download details on this site I suspect it would be reported and deleted as is often the case. But if you wish to let me know your receiving email address, privately, I will send you a copy as soon as I can.

Best wishes

[king otg]

This is in connection with reply #3

Hi Magpie28,

I found this in Yarm (Cleveland) baptisms: 29 September 1835 James Greg son of Henry & Margery CUNNINGHAM, potter of Yarm.

There are several details in the above which match your interests.

With regard to the SWALES side, the references 1851DUR-2391/157/23 and 1861YKS-3331/81/22 provide only one or two reasonable searches of which I shall try to find Christiana SWALES although the more baptisms that can be checked at source, the more likely it is that one of them will provide the father's place of baptism.

It has already been established that George (1810) was not baptised in Sedbergh so I think a blanket approach is better than a single-focused one. What census references do you have for John (1840-1915) and what was his wife's name and his general whereabouts 1861 to 1911?

I have not yet looked for John  because it would be an inefficient use of time. Far better that you should say what you have. The strategy is to approach George's origins from a different direction.

Regards

[king otg]

Hello Again Magpie28,

Many thanks for the family details that you recently sent me under private cover. I was pleased to see that some of your ancestors are already mentioned in my latest book, The Cumbria Gipsy Index, which provides raw information from parish registers in the areas covered by modern Cumbria.

I will let you know where to find my advert.

Living, as I do, not far from Appleby I have noticed local politicians using the 2009 Fair for political gain. They report that a small minority of visitors caused some trouble and they are working on ways to combat it next time. The general movement is towards preventing travellers from arriving in the Eden area too soon although the contrary argument, that the horses need  time to recover from their journey, is not being seriously considered. Essentially there is only one feud (at Cautley on the approach to Appleby) and it has been going on for a decade.
Every year the politicians huff and puff about it but the income from the fair keeps many people in business so there is zero chance of it coming to an end. Besides, the police are remarkably tolerant at Appleby and management is best left to them.

Regards

[king otg]

Hi Magpie 28,

Although Henry SWALES was born about 1856 there was an older brother having the same name baptised 5 March 1848 at Brough WML son of George and Margaret, itinerant dealer in earthenware of Brough. He died young.

In 1871WML George SWALE (age 68), his widowed daughter Elizabeth CAIN (22), son Henry (15) and second wife Sarah [she married him in 1863] appear at Hillbeck WML 5270/42/13. All are described as hawkers.

[magpie28]

Hi King otg,
                 You have found things in a matter of weeks which I have been looking for, over a few years,I would love if you could give me more information about Georges wife and where they got married, many thanks,
                                   Regards Margaret
               

[king otg]

Hi Magpie 28,

Married 24 January 1863 Brough WML, George SWALE, widower, X, full age, potter (father: John SWALE - potter) = Sarah BOUSFIELD, widow, signed, full age (father: John BRISCO - mason). One of the witnesses was Ann SWALE X, the other's surname is unreadable on the original.

Death registrations: Henry SWALES June Qtr 1848 West Ward; Margaret SWALES June Qtr 1869 (56) South Shields.

Referring back to Reply #6 the above marriage confirms what we believed which is that George was part of the group of potters based at Dent since 1708. There is another George SWALE there in the previous generation, son of John, so I think it likely that George's grandfather was also called John.

Five miles from Dent, at Sedbergh, there is evidence of past pottery works and some of the SWALES of Dent moved to Sedbergh as well as to Kendal and other places in Wesmorland and also Wales.

Regards

[magpie28]

Hi King otg,
                   Once again thank you,
                                                      Margaret 

[kennethchambers87]

Have found a Dinah Swales on the 1861 Preston census with John Swales as her father.She is also on the 1881  with her mother Elizabeth age 50  who has remarried to William Ireland.[William Ireland to Elizabeth Morrison Preston 1876]I believe that Dinahs father was Thomas Morrison[but cant find any marriages for her parents .She is also on with Priscilla [her sister who married Martin Moran ] whose father is supposed to be John Swales.On the m1871 Preston census there is an Elizabeth Morrison  age 37 [classed as niece to Flora Ireland age 71]with a Diana Morrison age 13 [classed as gran daughter to Flora]
I've checked births and found that Elizabeth Morrison/Swales Ireland could have  has Mary 1864,John 1865and Francis 1867 in her possible maiden name of Gordon .These 3 children are on the 1871 Fulwood census in the workhouse bur appear on the 1881 Preston with Elizabeth&William Ireland.
On the 1891 Durham census is Dinah Gordon wid 92 born Dent,Elizabeth Ireland daughter married 58  and a Francis Reynolds daughter 56.
What I am wondering in all this confusion id whether Flora Ireland nee Swales is Dinah Gordons born 1799 sister?
This all sounds confused so please bear with me.
Does anyone have any info please?
Thanks Diane