17th Lancers and gap in Census years

[Moonstar36]

Hello, Can someone help me please?

I found my GG Grandmother, Mary Ann Brown in 1861 census with her family. Ebenezer, (her dad born abt 1814)says he was born Scotland showing as working in a Lunatic Hosp and his wife Mary (abt 1818) born in Badsworth Yorks with children, Sarah J abt 1838, born Wakefield, Yorks, son Ebenezer  sbt 1846, born Brighton Sussex and Mary Ann, born canterbury Kent (this was at the time they were in the Barracks in Canterbury) and Eliza Eleanor age 7 born Hounslow Essex. In 1861 they were living at that time in Thornes/Alverthorpe, Yorks. Later in 1891 census they are living in Harrogate. Ebenezer is now a Chelsea pensioner
However, in trying to find any of them before 1861 I am drawing a blank for census and births. Ebenezer was in 17th Lancers and was a Sargeant Major I think and hence this may the reason they moved around. I think I did find him once in Troon, Scotland in an army  barracks which was fort 1841 year and in that showed he was born in England!

 Its Ebenezer I am trying to find as I want to establish if he did come from Scotland and have some old family details that said hew as based in Biggar once. However, the whole family have disappeared for 1851 and 1841 to where?? Later in 1891 he is shown as Chelsea Pensioner.

Is it possible he went to Crimean wars? Or India, is it possible the family went with him? Can anyone please help??

[coombs]

Hi Moonstar

My ancestor was in the 17th Lancers. In 1841 they were stationed at Govan, Lanarkshire Scotland and I found that in the 1851 census they were in Ireland. Unfortunately the Irish 1851 census hasnt survived except for the names of the heads of households in Dublin and the odd fragment.

You should be able to look them up in the 1841 census at Glasgow Cavalry Barracks, Govan, Lanarkshire, Scotland.

Ben

[coombs]

Hi Moonstar

The 1841 census shows an Ebenezer Brown at the Barracks in Govan as a Private 17th Lancers aged 30, but it says England as his birthplace.

Ancestry do not show the original images for the 1841 Scottish census unlike others but there is a Sarah Brown born England aged 3 at the barracks probably in the Soldiers relatives quarters. There was also a Thomas Brown aged 5, Isabella Brown aged 1 and Alice Brown aged 1 month with a Jane and Margaret Brown aged 25 and 20.

Ben

[km1971]

This link - http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/displaycataloguedetails.asp?CATID=-3993887&CATLN=7&Highlight=%2CEBENEZER%2CBROWN&accessmethod=0

- shows that a record in this name is available on microfilm in Kew. Could it be his father?

You can order a copy of the papers but they did not record details of wives and children then, nor the towns regiments were based in, only whether they were ‘Home’ or ‘Overseas’. If you cannot get that information remotely, you will have to visit Kew and look in the Muster Books (WO12) for the 79th Regiment (Cameronian Highlanders) and then look for baptisms in local records.

The 79th had a second battalion that was disbanded after Waterloo, so there should be two Muster books before that date.

You could do the same for the 17th Lancers to find other children.

Ken

[coombs]

Hi

Ebenezer Brown's discharge records at the TNA will show some great information such as age, birthplace, army number, rank, physical description, height, reason for discharge, any promotions etc.

Ben

[Moonstar36]

 Hi Ben

  sorry but what is TNA???....err! I am pretty new to this so feel embarassed at asking.

Linda
 

[coombs]

Hi

TNA is The National Archives.

Ben

[Moonstar36]

thank you! sorry! doh! oh bear of little brain

Linda

[usartillery]

358 Farrier Sergeant Ebenezer Brown:

Enlisted in 1830 or 1831 [Honour the Light Brigade, p. 251]. He was with the Service Troops from 1 January 1854 through 30 September 1854, but shows at Varna from 1 October through 31 January 1855. Muster Rolls are unclear as to his whereabouts, but he appears to have been in the Crimea from February 1855 through 8 August 1855. To Scutari 08-08 1855, & from Scutari to England 08-28-55 [55-3-2] Crimean Medal [p. 502, Medal Rolls, 17th Lancers] w/ Sebastopol Clasp [p. 508, Medal Rolls, 17th Lancers]. Remarks “Restored from Pte 07-23-54” shown in Lummis and Wynn, apply to James Tuffin (806), the Armour Sgt. Brown shows as “Farrier-Major as Sgt” or “Farr-Sgt” for all of his time w/ the Service Troops (, the titles apparently being used interchangably.