Hearsey/Salmon family Hon East India Co

[woodchurch]

Hello! My wife has a remote connection to the Salmons/Hearseys through the marriage of George Paris Salmon's daughter Ann Salmon in Perth Scotland to a cousin Charles Henry Ziegler.

Reading this fascinating thread, I noticed early on that the unfortunate girl was Marian as opposed to her mother being Marion.  Could the Marianne Salmon, born in Aylsham, Norfolk in 1803 be the same? Any Salmons in Norfolk?

[crystalight]

Welcome to the thread 'Woodchurch'
I have been trying to piece the parts I know about the Hearsey/Bradshawe families (and other associated families) together for a number of years now but still have many loose ends and any leads are always worth following up.

My own family tree has moved slightly sideways so I have had quite a lot of 'Salmon' information passed to me by other kind researchers but I cannot answer this one, perhaps someone out there can?

Crystal 

[Nevi]

Hi my late grandparents were Ethel Mary & William Wran Hearsey originally from UK, they settled in New Zealand, my late father Neville Alan Hearsey often told me about relatives that went to India so in some way I think my grandfather William Wran Hearsey could of been a brother of one of these men or related in some way.  Do any of you have these names on your family tree? My great grandparents were John Ralph Hearsey and his wife was Sarah Wran they married in 1876.  thanks Nevina Knight (nee Hearsey) New Zealand

[crystalight]

Hi Nevina

I have not personally come across these names in my family tree but others reading this thread may have, so well worth asking.
It does sound as if there could be a link somewhere, the Hearseys had large families and there is very likely a sideways link through a brother somewhere.

There is a William Moorcroft Hearsey born about 1818
Named in honour of William Moorcroft who accompanied Hyder Young Hearsey to Lake Mansarowar in 1812
He entered King of Oudh's service in 1836 and was constantly employed in field service against various Raja's and Zemindars who declined to pay their contributions to the Lucknow treasury.
He became Captain and served as intelligence officer to Sir James Outram.
In a state intellegence bulletin we know that in November 1858 he was in a bad state of health, in great pain and unable to mount his horse.
Resided in Oudh - ref "The Times" Tuesday Jan 08 1867 page 1 Issue 25702 col A.
He was a son of Hyder Young Hearsey and Khanum Zuher-ul Hearsey and may have married/partnered a woman called Mohun

The William above may have had a son William Arthur Hearsey Birth 9 October 1884
Christening 23 February 1891 Barielly, West Bengal, India
ref - IGI Extracted parish record batch no C750358
But I cannot find conclusive evidence that I am linking him to the right father.

I am not sure if any of this helps?
Good luck
Crystal 

[Pennycatt]

Hi my name was Penelope Hearsey before I was married my father was called Lionel Doughlas Hearsey as was his his father who was  a Bengal Lancer in Bengal  . Mt Dad lived out there with his too brother John Hearsey and Richard, but came back to England for schooling . My Grandmother came back to Sussex but my Grandfather stayed out in India . They had a house in Haripor and land , they divorced as he had an affair with my Dads youngest brother's Iierh not  sure how to spelt it but his nanny . My dad told me he had the picture of General Sir John Hearsey in their home in Sussex ,I went to see it with him in the British Museum, in London and various swords and documents . I have often wondered what happened to my Grandfather as his was not spoken about , due to the shame Sadly my Dad passed away 2013 at 93 , but I know so much about his life and my Grandmother Dorothy . We have Indian blood as 4 Generations back a Hearsey married an Indian Princess. This news shocked my father but I knew by my coloring dark small build this could be right . All my family were in the Army and went to the same Boys boarding school .    I have the book of the four Generation of the Hearsey's  I have invites to Christmas diner at the palace of Bengal and who was invited and what the day events was for the day . Shooting from a Rolls Royce . When I can afford to investigate more I will find out what happened to Lionel Doughlas Hearsey in India . He did have two other brothers , who were out in India and in the Army .my Dads brother have the Theophiolas   as his second name ,a family name .They had two Houses up in the high ground and lower in the summer , The family had an Elephant who was frightend of dead birds ,i have photos out in India and on Horse back .

[crystalight]

Hi Penelope

Welcome and how interesting to hear from you.

In my tree I have a Lionel Douglas Hearsey who was the grandson of Hyder Young Hearsey and Princess Khanum Zuher-ul Nissa his details are below, would this be your grandfather or looking at the dates perhaps there was another generation in between?

Birth ref - 20 February 1847
He Married his cousin Amelia Charlotte Hearsey (my 1st cousin 5x removed) on 27 Dec 1866 British Legation Florence Italy, Lionel was a far famed Shikari (hunter) whose knowledge of the craft of the jungle was of the highest order  (grandson and representative of Hyder Young Hearsey) he lived at Lakhimpor Nr. Kheri in Oudh.
marriage ref - "The Times" Tuesday 08 Jan 1867 pg 1 Issue 25702 col A (Eldest son of William Moorcroft Hearsey)
1905 ref - "The Hearseys Five Generations" he owned the estates of his father Major Hyder Hearsey at this time.
Lionel and Amelia had 7 children to my knowledge, I would love to know if there were more? they were:
Amy Harriet Helen Hearsey born 1869
Minnie Hearsey 1873
Ethel Maurice Hearsey 1874
John Bennett Hearsey 1876
Clara Georgina Hearsey 1881
Leonora Matilda Hearsey 1882
George Arthur Canning Hearsey 1884

I would be very interested in any other information you may have it sounds fascinating!

Crystal 

[DSDunbar]

Hi, my name is Don Dunbar and I'd like to jump into this discussion having just finished reading through (most) of this thread.  General William Broome Salmon and Marion Hearsey are my great(x3) grandparents.  My great(x2) grandparents are Lieut.-General William Broome Salmon and Sarah Welsh.  My great grandparents are Alexander MacDonald Salmon and Emily Dyson.  Finally, my grandparents are Clyde Dunbar and Marjorie Beatrice Salmon.  I have only recently discovered the Hearsey side to my family - primarily through Pearse's book and resources like this forum.  I would be happy to provide any information that might be of interest to this group and hope to find out more about this fascinating side to my family.

[crystalight]

Hi Don,

Welcome to the thread and many thanks for introducing yourself.

For my own records it would be nice to know if you have the following information:

1. Looking at my notes for General William Broome Salmon (your great (x3) grandparent) I have no record of his death other than he retired to England.

2. The daughter of General William Broome Salmon and Marion Hearsey (your great (x3) grandparents) died tragically in 1827 - I do not have and cannot find a date of birth for her?

3. I believe Marion Hearsey (your great (x3) grandparent) was the child of Andrew Willson Hearsey and Charlotte Crane. It would appear that Andrew Willson Hearsey had a child by a Jat lady in 1782 five years before he married Charlotte this child was Hyder (Jung) Young Hearsey but I have never been able to find a name for the mother?

4. Lieut.-General William Broome Salmon and Sarah Welsh (your great(x2) grandparents) I believe from my notes had one child Mourdant Broome Salmon but I also have a note that Lieut.-General William Broome Salmon had 18 children one of them obviosly Alexander MacDonald Salmon.
Do you know the others? and were they all born to Sarah Walsh?

5. Other than her name I have no details whatsoever of Sarah Walsh, do you know anymore?

Although 'my' side of the tree follows the Hearsey/Bradshawe line it is interesting to 'put meat on the bones' so to speak.

If I can help you in any way please let me know.
I will look forward to hearing form you as I am sure followers of this thread will do also.

Regards
Crystal 

[ShaunJ]

There is a PCC Will for Lt Col William Broome Salmon, signed in June 1842, proved in January 1844. Wife Marian, brother Harry.

There's a Bank Of England extract that records the date of death as on or about 5 February 1843