Hearsey/Salmon family Hon East India Co

[petli]

Hi. If you input George Paris Salmon 1813, you should access a neatly written tree + photo for G.P.S. This includes Williams 3 full sisters + the 2nd marriage to Miss Hillhouse. Will recheck the marriage to Jessie E.The tree also has  William Salmon, Catherine Salmon and Marian Salmon at 'Auntie' Ann Sandemans address in the 1851 census immediately followed by the name Walter Trout ( boarder ) - it doesn't take much to amuse me Regards.

[crystalight]

I have had a look at that thank you now I will compare information 

[petli]

Took some refinding - should keep notes! Cahill/Lay Family tree on Ancestry.co.uk. Ronald Graeme Zieglor Hersey Salmon. Birth 1907 Cornwall Death West Sussex. Parents William Hersey Salmon and Caroline Glover Ker Graham. Think Ronald may have been a twin as a John Charles L Salmon was also born 1907 in St Columb Cornwall. I believe Caroline Glover Ker Salmon died 1911. Perhaps William Hearsey Salmon born 1841 had an earlier marriage, there is a 33 year difference between his and Carolines age

[crystalight]

Thanks Petli, I will look into that to see what I come up with in the way of records but it does seem likely that there was a previous marriage to Jesse E unknown.

Meanwhile back on the Hearsey side does anyone have any knowledge of marriages/children etc. of the descendants from Lionel Douglas William Hearsey Born 1847 and his wife Amelia Hearsey?
his children were Amy, Minnie, Ethel, John,Clara, Leonora and George

Crystal

[Sue222]

Hi Hearseys

I am not related to the Hearseys but interested in Indian history and have just been reading Hugh Pearse's book about the Hearseys (hoping actually to find something about the Wheelers but there wasn't much).
In the photos posted here there is a Stuart Clarence Canning Hearsey. On the last page of Pearse's book there is a mention of one of John Bennet's sons by his second marriage to Emma Rumball. This son was called Clarence Canning Hearsey, so perhaps the family in the photo is connected?
Regarding Hyder Hearsey's parentage, Pearse, as someone here has pointed out, refers to Andrew Wilson Hearsey as his guardian and near relation rather than father, and also to John Bennet Hearsey as Hyder Hearsey's brother-in-law (I am not sure what that means). If Hyder and John Bennet were actually half brothers, then was Harriet (Hyder's daughter) marrying her uncle?

[crystalight]

Hi Sue,

The Hearsey's certainly are a fascinating family, I have spent hours tracing them and reading up on them.

I think the common belief is that Hyder Young Hearsey was in fact the result of a liaison with a native Jat lady and Andrew Wilson Hearsey and that he was in fact the father but I suspect it was not the done thing to admit to this especially in his position. Hyder was born in 1782 and Andrew die not marry Charlotte until 1787.

This would in fact make John Bennett Hearsey,  Hyder's half brother and Johbn married his Hyder's daughter Harriet and yes, then she would have married her step uncle!
The Hearseys seemed to also have a history of marrying cousins.

For continuity of this thread the connection has been found to the pictures that Josh posted The parents of the children were  Theophilus Neville Hearsey  (Born 1868 – Died 1929) and Elspeth Evelyn Anderson (Born 1879)
The parents of Theophilus Neville Hearsey above were Andrew William Hearsey 1838 – 1896 and Harriet Eliza Hearsey 1846 -
Andrew William Hearsey’s father was Sir John Bennett Hearsey 1793 - 1865 and Harriet Hearsey from the paragraph above.

Crystal 

[Sue222]

If I have understood Pearse correctly then two children of Amelia and John Bennett married two children of Hyder's son William Moorcroft and so the brides and grooms would have been both first cousins and first cousins once removed - all half-blood of course.
Back to Hyder's parentage. I thought perhaps Andrew Wilson Hearsey's will might have mentioned him so I looked it up. It didn't mention him specifically (at least not as far as I could see but I couldn't read the writing very well - it was in a funny sort of church court hand) but it did seem to mention some illegitimate children. As far as I could make out it first of all mentioned his wife, son and 3 daughters, and then said something about the HEIC and how he hoped they would remember his long service and "also the large family of children I have left(?) to be brought up both legitimate and illegitimate the latter arising from the vigour of youth and under the influence of a hot climate distant from my country and --- off from every possibility of forming a more --- and --- connection at an earlier period. I therefore trust they will be considered..." I gave up at this point but saved a copy if anyone wants to see it.

[crystalight]

Hello again Sue,

I cannot remember without searching whether I have looked at Andrew Wilson Hearseys will.
I have certainly looked at some of the other Hearseys wills and like you I have been unable to read them very well at all. I will have a search over the next few days to see if I can find it, if not perhaps I could ask if you could kindly send me a copy, I would of course pm you my email address.
I am rather tied up for the next few days so I may take a while to get back to you on this but thank you for your input it is all very useful.

Crystal 

[petli]

I found by googling 'Sahib: The British Soldier in India 1750 - 1914'  this - 'Henry Moorcroft Hearsey had a Pachesi board tattooed on his stomach so that his wives could enjoy a game while he relaxed / recovered'
 However it also says that he had married a Jat lady and was the father of Hyder Hearsey. Surely it should be Andrew Willson Hearsey ? Did he have such a unique tattoo ?