Research advice Edward Baker

[loafer2]

Having received some extremely valuable help from this site before I thought I'd try again on a different topic namely my great great grandfather Edward Baker. He was born c1833 in Southwark, Surrey according to census returns of 1861, 1881 and 1891 where he is variously described as a shoemaker and a fish curer  and married in 1855,  the marriage certificate shows his Father as being of the same name (Edward Baker)

Ideally I would like to trace Edward Baker c1833 in either 1841 or 1851 ie prior to his marriage, as this may show him living with his parents. I have had no success in trying to trace him during those years. There is an Edward Baker that I have been able to locate on the 1841 and 1851 census living in the Southwark area with a father of the same name but it gives his birth year as 1839 which would make him only 16 when he married in 1855. The marriage certificate gives his age as "full" and also gives an address of 4 William Street, I'm not sure what "full" means, 21?

Does anyone have any thoughts on this as to where or how I might track down further information regarding his earlier years?  Would appreciate any help.


     

[lizdb]

What occupation does marriage cert give for his dad?

Yes - full should be 21 by the way.

Shoemaker/fish curer - unusual combination! Shoemaker was often an apprenticed trade. You could see if there any apprenticeship records survivng ( I think would be at LMA for Southwark, but may be wrong)

[loafer2]

Thanks I'll try the apprenticeship records track. His father is given as a labourer on the marriage certificate

[down-under]

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1851 H0107/1567 folio 699 page 51 Newington Surrey

39 Flint Street
Henry Farr age 52 St Pancras Middlesex shoemaker
Sarah wife age 50 Reading
Amelia dau age 20 Reading
Matilda?  dau age 19 Reading
Elizabeth dau age 17 Reading

Next page

Anglina  age 15 dau Reading
Caroline dau age 13 Reading
Edwd Colvin son in law age 27 Shoemaker Brighton Surrey
Emma Colvin wife age 24 Brighton

Edward Baker age 17 apprentice  shoemaker Brighton Surrey


Pam

[trish251]

Hi loafer

There is a 17 year old Edward in 1851 who may be your man - unfortunately not with family

1851 Surrey Newington At Peter Walworth HO107/1567 699/ 51
39 Flint St
Henry Farr/marr? head mar 52 shoe maker Middx St pancreas
Sarah do wife M 50 do do Berks Reading
Amelia do dau U 20 do do
Matilda do dau U 19 do do
Elizabeth do dau U 17 do do
Angelina do dau U 15  Reading Berks
Caroline do dau U 13 do do
Edward Colvin son-in-law M 27 shoe maker Sussex Brighton
Emma Colvin wife mar 24                               do do
Edwd Baker app 17 shoe maker                      do do

Although Edward wasn't born at Brighton, the enumerator could have ditto'd the line in error
Emma was probably born in Reading, yet she also has the do do for Brighton.

It could of course, not be your man

Trish

Pam has posted the same family - I thought I'd post with my comments re Brighton

[loafer2]

That looks very good to me thanks. None of my subsequent census records that I have for him suggest that he was born in Brighton - I will see if I can track him down in 1841 using Sussex as the research area
Thanks    

[loafer2]

Thanks Trish it looks a possibility