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Re: Marianne Caldwell/William Lionel Pyne
« Reply #153 on: Thursday 05 March 09 17:41 GMT (UK) »
Hi,  Yes it states that 'Horatio Pyne'... Died 1858...'

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Re: Marianne Caldwell/William Lionel Pyne
« Reply #154 on: Saturday 07 March 09 14:45 GMT (UK) »
Hi Everyone,

Went to Kew again yesterday and had more success, although the info. probably doesn't help very much in our search for William Lionel Pyne and George Pyne senior.

Firstly the DDR of Marianne Caldwell.  This didn't tell me anything new.  It just confirmed that Charles Isham Caldwell was her grandson, which I suspected already.  There were no addresses for him and George Pyne wasn't mentioned - no reason to be I suppose.

Next was a claim received at the Admiralty on 19 Aug 1857.
Amount reported due £10. 15s 0d. Half Pay
Name of deceased:  Lieutenant George Pyne on Half Pay List, R.N.
Name and address of claimant:  Mary Eliza Pyne, Widow of 3 Collingwood Villas, Stoke Damerel, Devon. (Another address - Rossall, Fleetwood, Lancashire - had been crossed out)
Claim admitted 28 Nov 1857

Then I looked at the Officers Service Records and found the following for Lieutenant George Pyne:
7 Feb 1846: See report of Preparation for Battle from the "Warssiter?", where Lieut. Pyne is stated to be manifestly deficient in his knowledge of Gunnery exercise.
Apr 1846: Letter from Captain Wallis of the "Warssiter?" on the same subject
23 April: Paid off
29 May 1846: Appn. to "Spartan"
5 Aug 1846: Superseded
19 Nov 1851: "Express"
3 Apr 1854: To report on the state of his health in six months
13 May 1857 Died

Lastly I looked at the post 1858 wills index.  I didn't find anything for John Burnett Applebee or Horatio Pyne, but found the following for Horatio Clagett:

Clagett, Horatio, Esq. Will Proved 20 May 1880.  Personal Estate: Under £70,000.
Administration (with the will) of the personal estate of Horatio Clagett late of 1 Abbey Road, St. John's Wood in the county of Middlesex, Esquire, a Widower, who died 31 January 1880 at 1 Abbey Road, was granted at the Principal Registry to Thomas William Clagett of Stapleford Park in the Parish of Stapleford near Melton Mowbray in the County of Leicester, Esqure, the nephew and one of the next of Kin.

Not planning to go to Kew for a while now, but hope next week to go to the London Metropolitan Archives in Clerkenwell to try and find original baptism records.  I read on their website that they will be putting all this info. online shortly - Yippee!

Regards. Ros

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Re: Marianne Caldwell/William Lionel Pyne
« Reply #155 on: Saturday 13 April 13 22:35 BST (UK) »
PYNE m. MATHEW

Is anyone interested in the MATHEW connection? I'm investigating part of this family since, apparently another PYNE niece, Harriet Mary MATHEW b. July 1840 (father George Felton MATHEW, mother Selina: Harriet was one of the younger sisters of Selina MATHEW living with the PYNEs) was one of those killed in the Surrey Gardens Music Hall accident (panic) on 19 October 1856. (No direct link to MATHEW myself, but I have contact with a descendant. My direct interest in this is the Surrey Gardens accident.)

After the death of Nathaniel PYNE (2Q 1866 reg. Penzance), the widowed mother of his niece Selina MATHEW - also a Selina - came to join Selina jnr. in St Ives, + niece Selina's spinster sister Sarah - and widow Harriet PYNE seems to have become a Post Mistress in Bedfordshire for her few remaining years (d. 3Q 1873 reg. Leighton Buzzard?). Don't have confirmation yet, but seems Selina snr. and Harriot would have been sisters?

George Felton MATHEW m. Selina was the son of George Felton MATHEW sometime poet, critic, and friend of the poet KEATS. Found on the web: "an early associate of John KEATS. He was the son of a London merchant, raised in the house of a West India Merchant, and from 1830 worked in the Civil Service, where he was a member of the Poor Law Commission" - so an India connection also.

The MATHEW descendant Peggy has a website here:
http://mathewfamilytree.com/whats_new_1.html

FYO:

The person who identified Harriet Mary MATHEWS and was witness at the Inquest, was her brother, also a George Felton MATHEW, grandson of KEATS' friend.

"George MATTHEWS examined.-
I am a clerk to the Poor Law Board, and live at 32, Bridge-house-place, Newington-causeway. I have seen the persons who are dead in the next room, and recognise one of them as my sister. Her name was Harriet Mary. She was unmarried, and was 16 years of age last July. She was stopping with me at my residence, and on Sunday night she was in good health. She went to the Surrey Gardens, accompanied by her sister and a friend. The name of the person who accompanied my sister is Ann ROSENBERG, living in the Wyndham-road, Camberwell."

A false alarm of "fire", ensuing panic, and people crushed, suffocated, on a staircase.

The Surrey Gardens Music Hall, said to be the biggest and best in Europe at the time, was built, very quickly, in 1856 and opened in July. On 19 October the Baptist preacher STURGEON was preaching there for the first time, and the false alarm was believed to be aimed at discrediting him. In 1861 the Music Hall burned, and was subsequently modified to provide temporary accommodation for St Thomas' Hospital whose premises in Southwark had been commandeered for a new railway station, and until a new building was available on the Embankment (c.1871/2). The Music Hall and Gardens reopened 1872-3, but tastes had changed and the enterprise went bankrupt. Most of the Gardens site was sold for building land.

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Re: Marianne Caldwell/William Lionel Pyne
« Reply #156 on: Monday 15 April 13 08:31 BST (UK) »
Ros,
I have had a quick read through all 16 pages of this thread. I feel your pain with these Pyne's/Pine's!
PM me your e-mail address and I will send you a Word format document that you might like to read. It has a chapter on the Pyne's from Cork, but no mention of your William Lionel unfortunately. I have come across that name somewhere though, just can't remember where.

Darren
I am Australian, from all the lands I come (my ancestors, at least!)

Pine/Pyne, Dowdeswell, Kempster, Sando/Sandoe/Sandow, Nancarrow, Hounslow, Youatt, Richardson, Jarmyn, Oxlade, Coad, Kelsey, Crampton, Lindner, Pittaway, and too many others to name.
Devon, Dorset, Gloucs, Cornwall, Warwickshire, Bucks, Oxfordshire, Wilts, Germany, Sweden, and of course London, to name a few.


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Re: Marianne Caldwell/William Lionel Pyne
« Reply #157 on: Saturday 08 October 16 13:35 BST (UK) »
I have no connection with the family but I have just uploaded photos of their magnificant grave.
Could you guys help with the details?
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=170981720

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Re: Marianne Caldwell/William Lionel Pyne
« Reply #158 on: Friday 04 August 17 11:40 BST (UK) »
William Pyne born circa 1812, Somerset, father John married Frances Hales 5.7.1842 by Licence at St. James Westminster.  I dont know any thing about the Pyne family, but Frances was the daughter of Frances Caldwell and George Hales of Cradley.  Frances Caldwell was the daughter of Susannah Hill and Tracy Caldwell.  Hope this is of some help.



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Re: Marianne Caldwell/William Lionel Pyne
« Reply #159 on: Sunday 25 September 22 12:22 BST (UK) »
I have just discovered this thread as I am researching the Pyne family for a friend here in Australia. I note that Darren Pine was offering a WORD document on the family - hoping that Darren sees this post and can assist.
John Cummings
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Re: Marianne Caldwell/William Lionel Pyne
« Reply #160 on: Sunday 25 September 22 13:40 BST (UK) »
Hi John

As long as Darren hasn't changed email addresses since he last logged on in 2021, he should receive an email notification that you have posted and hopefully come back soon.

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