Marianne Caldwell/William Lionel Pyne

[DebbieG]

Yep - I've tried on Charles James Applebee but so far not much except a vague reference to someone who was tutored by him at Putney before going on to Oxford,  however there are no obvious references to him at Oxford or Cambridge (or Dublin) 

his wife was Mary Scott ---? something but I have failed to find a marriage 

DebbieG

[Hungry Pelican]

Yes, Justin, JBA did study at Oxford.  I found him on the Oxford University Alumni - it reads: John Applebee, s Charles James, of Fulham, Middlesex, arm. St. Mary Hall, matric. 13 March, 1818 aged 30.

Does 'arm.' mean he was in the army?

Ros.

[JustinL]

Ros,

arm. definitely does not refer to military service. It must mean something like 'admitted to' or 'entered'. I see the abbreviation is 'adm.' for Cambridge - a far better university (no guessing my home town!).

I think all the Oxford alumni have this 'arm.' abbreviation in the entry.

Justin

[Hungry Pelican]

Hi Justin,

Other entries have the abbreviations cler., pleb., gent., preb., D.D.,

I've just looked up the definition of arm. in the dictionary:

Short for armiger - 1.  A bearer of armour for a knight, a squire.  2.  A person entitled to bear heraldic arms.

Ros

p.s. Hey! - your home town is not far from me.

[JustinL]

Ros very kindly copied the entry in the Death Duty Register for Eliza Pyne for me.

Some of the entries are hard to read, but the main points are:

1. Eliza Pyne recorded as a spinster
2. All five children recorded as illegitimate
3. Third son, Horace, died intestate in 1858. Place not given.
4. Horatio Clagett died on 31 Jan 1880.

I can only assume that the executors knew about her marital circumstances, so it must be true.

Justin

[DebbieG]

Justin - does that mean Ros has been to the PRO again?  well at least we can stop looking for Eliza's marriage

I know at one point you said you had Eliza's death certificate - but I can't find it in all the various threads and posts - could you remind us what age she was when she died please.

Waits eagerly for Ros with anymore info 

Debbie

[JustinL]

Debbie,

Eliza was reportedly 36 years old when she died. Do we believe any of the details though?

Justin

[Hungry Pelican]

Hello everyone,

I'm sorry - that was all I could find at Kew this time.  The ref. I had found for Marianne's DDR turned out to be just the index, and when I eventually found the microfilm that the record was supposed to be on, it wasn't in alphabetical order and in miniscule print, so I gave up in desperation! 

Ros.

[heywood]

Oh what a shame, Ros!

Was Horace Pyne's death noted in the paperwork for Eliza?  Can't seem to see him around.