Marianne Caldwell/William Lionel Pyne

[DebbieG]

No Heywood,  they can't be cos their Marrianne never married and there's no George

Hi Jeremy - if you are still around,  do you have anything on any George Pyne in India?

DebbieG

[heywood]

I did realise that they weren't so thought we should now be 'putting them to bed'.
Theoretically, Eliza, George and Marianne may still be illegitimate or their children may be / probably are illegitimate unless, as was mooted some time ago, both sisters married Pynes.

I have been wondering since I first posted the info whether Mr Charles Day was the father of some of these people here. If he was, and there were illegitimate children, that may be why Horatio Claggett was involved in Eliza's children's aftercare and Eliza did call a child Charles - I'm going off the old Lancashire premise here that 'I may as well say it as think it' 

[Jeremy Pyne]

In reply to Debbie's question above about a George Pyne in India, the best I can come up with is Major General George Hanbury Pine, he entered the forces in 1780 as a cadet, became a Colonel in 1814 and Mjr General in 1821. His eldest daughter, Georgina married a Captain Colton in Calcutta in 1828 (Gentlemans Magazine). He Died in Barrackpore in India in 1831. His widow was an Ann Antoinette Pine (had a residence in Manchester St London). Only other ref I had to children is to another daughter Mary Jane .
One slight co-incidence to the family of interest here was George had a brother a Lieutenant Horace Pine. I note one of Elza, sister of Marianne was in theory married to a Charles Horace and one of Eliza's children, born in 1829 was also called Horace.
Another trail to follow possibly?
Jeremy

[Jeremy Pyne]

In reply to Debbie's question above about a George Pyne in India, the best I can come up with is Major General George Hanbury Pine, he entered the forces in 1780 as a cadet, became a Colonel in 1814 and Mjr General in 1821. His eldest daughter, Georgina married a Captain Colton in Calcutta in 1828 (Gentlemans Magazine). He Died in Barrackpore in India in 1831. His widow was an Ann Antoinette Pine (had a residence in Manchester St London). Only other ref I had to children is to another daughter Mary Jane .
One slight co-incidence to the family of interest here was George had a brother a Lieutenant Horace Pine. I note one of Elza, sister of Marianne was in theory married to a Charles Horace and one of Eliza's children, born in 1829 was also called Horace.
Another trail to follow possibly?
Jeremy

[JustinL]

Hello all,

Great work at the NA. Thank you Ros. I can hardly wait for the next visit.

Alfred Green of Sackville Street was the other witness to Eliza Pyne's will.

Are we now a hair's breadth away from proving that Lt. George Pyne was the mysterious brother?

I wonder what that indenture from 1847 was all about?

From what I can gather most of the Church of Ireland parish records for Cork (George's birthplace) were destroyed, so we may never find a baptism for George or Eliza.

Anyone know how to research the career of a civil servant, the profession of Lt. Pyne's father, George senior?

Justin

[Hungry Pelican]

Hi,

My main reason for looking at the will of John Francis/Francis John Pyne was see if he had a son Lionel William/William Lionel, as there does seem to be a lot of interchanging of first and second names

Thank you, Jeremy, re: the info. on William b. 1798

Anyway, to move on - You sound as excited as I am, Justin.  Can't wait to get to Kew again!!

[heywood]

Dear Ros,
I am sorry if I seemed to be critical! I just got a bit lost amid the names as you say! I was hoping that he was the father of the girls and thought he was until I looked back over the posts and realised about Marianne  Then I was so disappointed.
Good luck with the next bit 
Kath

[Hungry Pelican]

Don't worry, Kath, I know the feeling!  Here I am at 12.45am and just finished scrolling through all the Pynes on the National Archives website - How sad is that!! . Ros.

[JustinL]

Ros,

I've been down that same sad path myself many months ago. Have you browsed all the references in A2A as well? Then you can be classified as really sad!

It would have been interesting to have been related to the Frederick Pyne who mapped various parts of Sierra Leone.

Do you think you'll be able to track down the death duty info for Eliza? Lt. George Pyne died some 30 years before Marianne, so his address may not appear in her death duty entry.

Do we know John Applebee's occupation? I see that his address in Marylebone (15 Nottingham Street) was very close to Harley House (the Day residence), albeit a stone's throw from the Marylebone workhouse.

Justin