Marianne Caldwell/William Lionel Pyne

[DebbieG]

Ohh Ros

What interesting finds,  the first thing that springs out to me is that it seems pretty certain now that the George Pyne who was born in Cork and married Mary Ann Dixon is the brother George who is referred to by both the sisters,  I think the involvement of John Burnett Applebee clinches that.  I think from memory Justin had his marriage certificate and his father was named as George Pyne in India,  off to see if I can find anything else.

 

DebbieG

[Hungry Pelican]

Thanks Debbie,  I feel sure that EVENTUALLY all will be revealed

[heywood]

Thanks Debbie,  I feel sure that EVENTUALLY all will be revealed

I hope so! You are working so hard- all this effort but it is looking promising!

best wishes
Kath

[Hungry Pelican]

Thanks Kath,  Well you have all given me a bit of an incentive!

[heywood]

here is Debbie's post re Francis John Pyne

He is the son of Francis John Pyne and his second wife Elizabeth Harvey White and brother of William Pyne the solicitor, who was at one time a friend of Disraelis (I have more notes on this William but they aren’t needed here).

Francis John Pyne was married 3 times
1st (1791) to Priscilla Darnell - 1 daughter Priscilla Pyne (b1792)
2nd to Elizabeth Harvey White, they had John Pyne (b1797)
               William Pyne (from Jeremy)
               Nathaniel Pyne (b 1799)
               Elizabeth Pyne (b1800)
               Thomas Pyne (b 1803)
               Frederick Pyne (b 1804)
3rd (1809)  to Mary Dillman Engleheart - this was the will that Ros found, it names her 4 children including daughter Marianne, - who never married and lived most of her life in Leamington, though in 1901 she is with her sister-in-law Sophia in Kew. Whilst it is just possible that Francis John could also have had Eliza and George, I can’t see that he is likely to have had 2 daughters called Marianne.  He died in 1830 and is buried in Bunhill Fields London - there is no will for him in the PCC.
   

 

Interesting: 
http://www.invaluable.com/auction-lot/john-cox-dillman-engleheart-1784-1862-1-c-2jfbhntn5v

SO the will is not for 'our' Pynes  Marianne is alive and well in Leamington Warwickshire 

[Hungry Pelican]

Yes, that's right.  I've worked out that John had Priscilla and Hannah with his first wife - Priscilla Darnell, John, Nathaniel, Elizabeth (Eliza), Thomas & Frederick with his second wife - Elizabeth Harvey White, and Augustus, Lucy, Alfred and Marianne with his third wife - Mary Dillman Engleheart.  Perhaps Jeremy knows where William fits in?

I had a little laugh at the link you posted of the 'left eye' of Mary Dillman Engleheart

[DebbieG]

Yes I had a smile at the 'eye' picture,  given the number of artists in this family I am surprised we havn't found more pictures of the people involved.

I have been fishing in the India records  and I found this on Lucy
- I think she may have been a daughter from the second marriage rather than the third

Name: Lucy Pine
 Marriage: 25 - Sep  1838
 Spouse: J.W. Woodcock
 Notes: At Byculla, J.W. Woodcock, Esq., civil service, to Lucy Pine, daughter of the late John Pine, Esq., of Charlton, Berks.Transcribed by: FIBISIndia Office Records Reference:
  Source name: East India RegisterSource year: 1839Source edition: 2Presidency: Bombay

Interesting about Hannah going to the US,  I vary travelled family

DebbieG

[Jeremy Pyne]

Just to answer the question above, William was the second son of John Francis and Elizabeth White, ie after John b 1797, William was born 3 May 1798, baptised at Hendon, went to Eton, became an attorney etc.

With his third wife the dates I have are;
Augustus Vicar of Horning Norfolk  1810
Lucy  March 1812 (married John Woodcock in Bombay)
Alfred  - Vicar of Royden Essex July 1813
Marianne December 1816 (born Beddington, unmarried ,died 1907)
Edward Manners Dillman (vicar of Bawdsey Norfolk) July 1820

Jeremy

[heywood]

I'm sorry to be a nuisance and putting a dampner on all this -but am I right in that these are not the family we are looking for?
Please explain - I'm a bit puzzled