Marianne Caldwell/William Lionel Pyne

[Jeremy Pyne]

Just a footnote on Ltn George Pyne . Had folk registered that he appears to have had two children with his wife Mary Eliza Dixon (married 1847). These were Edward Ernest b Dudley in c 1849 (also entered the navy) and Arthur Augustus b Stoke Damerel (ie Plymouth dockyard area). The latter married an Ellen Binney and divorced in 1893.
Apologies if this is covering existing ground.
Jeremy

[heywood]

This is the chap born Ireland who is possibly brother? Interesting that he also has the name Augustus for his child 

[JustinL]

Thanks Jeremy, I have noted his two sons. One, possibly both of them, joined the navy (or the marines).

Yes, this is the George who may be the missing brother.

Justin

[Hungry Pelican]

Hi, I've ordered the Chancery Court Pleading document (which needed 3 days notice) re: Pyne v Applebee and am hopefully going to Kew on Friday to view it.

Had a productive day last week in Berkshire.  Found Marianne Caldwell's memorial - a 10' high marble cross with a large base.  It is the "Family vault of Thomas Joseph Hercy, Esq. of Cruchfield House, Berks."  She was buried with her daur. Rowena, son-in-law Thomas and their 5 children at the Parish Church of St. Mary, Winkfield (near Hawthorn Hill). It states "This tomb with remains therein was moved from Kensal Green 1935 - Alex MacDonald & Co. Ltd., Euston Rd. N.W."  Marianne's inscription states:  "Marianne, widow of George Caldwell, Esq. Hilboro' Norfolk who died at Cruchfield House, Berks. on the 20th December 1885 aged 78 years".   

In Nearby Hawthorn Hill we visited Cruchfield House - a classical, early nineteenth-century mansion and then 6 Queens Terrace in King's Road, Windsor.  This is a 4 storey gothic style town house built about 1849 and it overlooks the Long Walk in front of Windsor Castle.

Regards. Ros

[DebbieG]

- Sound like you a great day Ros   

Thanks for keeping us updated,  I was wondering how you were getting on.  I have been tracking down members of the Ellaby family to see if they can offer us any clues,  the two mentioned in Marianne's will were cousins,  so if there is a relationship it must be back 2 or 3 generations I think   

Great news on the job too Justin

 

DebbieG

[JustinL]

Hello Ros,

The Berkshire outing must have been most enjoyable. Did you take any snaps?

I really hope that the next trip to the NA will be equally productive.

Would you perhaps have time to dig out Lt. Frederick Pyne's passing certificate? Here's what the NA research guide has to say:

They often provide information about a man's service prior to the examination and sometimes have supporting papers such as certificates of birth or baptism.

Lieutenants' passing certificates can be found in ADM 6 , ADM 13 and ADM 107 . A nominal index to these records can be found in B. Pappalardo's Royal Navy Lieutenants' Passing Certificates, 1691-1902 (List and Index Society, volumes 289-290) located amongst the Supplementary Finding Aids in the Research Enquiries Room.

He was promoted on 6 Sep 1852.

Lt. George Pyne often returned to lodgings in Pimlico between postings. Fingers crossed that you can find a matching address in death duty registers.

We're pretty relieved about the job.

Rgds, Justin

[heywood]

thanks for the update and the day sounds impressive.

I can't quite remember  about the Ellabys but may be another clue- whose cousins were they?

[Hungry Pelican]

Hello everyone,

Thank you all for your time and interest

We will need to make a couple or more trips to Kew to see what we can find, so if we don't have time this time, Justin, re. Frederick, we will try the next time.  Everything seems to take so long there.  We don't usually get there until midday and then it closes at 5pm.  We let our Readers tickets elapse from 5 years ago, so need to renew them in order to view some of the records.

Yes, we did take photos.  I don't know whether I'm allowed to post them on here or whether that's possible.  Does anybody know?   

[Hungry Pelican]

Hi Everyone,  Went to Kew yesterday and here are my findings:

The Will of John Pyne dated 8 Mar 1833 (written 14 Mar 1828)

Formerly of Beddington in the County of Surrey, then of Charlton House near Wantage in the County of Berks. but late of Clapton in the County of Middlesex, esq.

He names:

Wife:
Mary Dilman Pyne (all effects, furniture, properties, etc.)

Daughters: (£1,000 each)
Priscilla Chervet (? spelling)
Hannah Rankin, wife of George Nicholas Rankin, (In 1840 and 1843 residing at Aurora (?Spelling) near Buffalo in Erie County, State of New York, USA)
Elizabeth Pyne (later altered to Eliza in an Admon. dated 8 Mar 1833)
Lucy Pyne
Marianne Pyne

Admon. was granted to Eliza Pyne, spinster, the natural and lawful daughter and a legatee, to administer to Executor Mary Dilman Pyne widow the relict and residuary legatee.

No sons are mentioned.

In an Admon. dated 9 May 1840, John L'Estrange, the lawful Attorney of Hannah Rankin is appointed  to administer the legacy as it had been left unadministered.

In An Admon. dated 19 June 1843, Eliza Pyne, Spinster, has died.  A new attorney is appointed - Henry John Hunter, esq. the lawful attorney of Hannah Rankin, as John L'Estrange has also died.

Chancery Court Pleading: Pyne v Applebee

Between George Pyne and Mary Eliza his wife by Edward Dixon her next friend and defendants John Burnet Applebee and Alfred Green.

Humbly complaining - George Pyne of No. 14 Francis Street, Woolwich, Kent, a Lieut. in H. M. Royal Navy and Mary Eliza Pyne the wife of George Pyne by Edward Dixon of Dudley, Worcestershire, Esq., her next friend, that an Indenture dated 14 Aug 1847 was duly made and executed by and between George Pyne and Mary Eliza Dixon, spinster and John Burnet Applebee of Nottingham Street, Marylebone, Middx., Gentleman and Alfred Green of 11 Sackville Street, Piccadilly, Middx., Gentleman, defendants, made previous to the marriage of George Pyne and Mary Eliza Dixon. 

Complaints of George Pyne, Mary Eliza and Edward Dixon her next friend are that John B. Applebee and Alfred Green ask to be discharged from being Trustees and that an Indenture dated 14 Aug 1847 did not contain any powers to appoint new trustees.

That's the gist of it.

I had more problems trying to get Marianne's Caldwell's and Eliza Pyne's death duty registers.
The referencing there is so complicated and I wasn't able to use the ones that you kind people gave me.  I eventually found the one I need for Marianne, which is IR27/463 but it was gone 4 o'clock by then and last orders for documents is 4pm.  I was unable to find Eliza's, but will have another look hopefully next Wednesday.

Hope some of this info. is helpful to you.

Regards, Ros.