Marianne Caldwell/William Lionel Pyne

[Hungry Pelican]

Hi, Thanks for that.

I have Rowena's marriage cert. - 8th Jan 1863, aged 25 years.  Address:  42 Half Moon Street, St. George's, Hanover Square.  Father:  William Lionel Pyne - Profession - Esquire.

Julia Pyne b. 1797, m. 1818 could be either William Lionel's or Marianne Pyne/Caldwell's mother

[heywood]

sorry- Julia was Pyne as a maiden name- I was just thinking that it may be family name.

I wonder if that was just speculation re George Pyne being a brother? According to census- George was from Cork.

[Hungry Pelican]

That's a shame

JustinL says unfortunately the register of Marianne and George's marriage in Dublin does not reveal the names of their parents .

JustinL also says: "Marianne's maiden name was Pyne.  Her sister, Eliza, explicitly names their brother as George Pyne in her will of 1843.  This confirms that their birth surname was in fact Pyne".  He continues:  "To confuse things, Eliza appears to have been married to Charles Horace Pyne - a cousin maybe!  By the same token, it is possible that Marianne had been previously married to a Pyne.  However, the entry in the parish register notes her as a spinster".

[heywood]

what about George Pyne's marriage certificate?

[heywood]

As JustinL has the will of Elizabeth, that would indicate where the family come from.
If the George is the one who then marries and lives in Devon- Cork is given as his birthplace.
Marianne gives Dublin.
Elizabeth specifically mentions George- does she mention Marianne- or is that speculation?

[heywood]

I apologise for keep questioning and thought my previous post may sound a bit curt. 

What I was wondering is ... does JustinL have proof that Elizabeth and Marianne are sisters? i would have thought that the will would give at least a current address/information re Elizabeth from which may be deducted some useful clues?

[Hungry Pelican]

Hi there,

Thanks for your interest.

I'll give you the link so that you can read all that Justin knows.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,322249.15.html

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,271110.0.html

According to Justin, Eliza died in Maida Vale in 1843.  Marianne was present at the death and even registered it.  He intends to go to the city archives in Dublin in the next few days and copy the entry in full of the Caldwell/Pyne marriage.

That's a good point about George Pyne's marriage cert. which Justin has got.  Hopefully it gives the name of the father.   Thanks for that.

[heywood]

Thanks - I had looked at them initially and forgot to go back! It is so interesting- I hope you don't mind.

By the way George, I think, got married in Brighton so that sounds good.

regards
heywood

[Hungry Pelican]

I don't mind at all.  I'm really grateful for all your info.  Sometimes someone else can think of things you haven't thought of and vice versa.  I'm going to look up some of your other references you mentioned now. Ros.