Anna Hollingsworth Hogg

[webeyer]

Hi Posteria...
oh my word! yes it is him ... I put his fathers birth year by (very stupid) mistake .... I'm sorry!
I can't believe I did that, talk about a fool!.
Thanks for correcting that 'Schoolboy' for me and thanks for all your help.
                 very Best Wishes and apologies
                             Helga

[posteria]

Hello Helga

No need to apologise. I just thought that if we had the correct birth dates for James and Anna it might be easier for others to search for them.

In the first quarter of 1929 there is a death registered in Bristol for an Anna H Hogg aged 70. The GRO reference is 6a 375.

Maybe she left a Will which might identify some of her children ?

This link gives some information about how to arrange a search for one etc - if you scroll down the page. It costs £5 for a search whether or not a Will is found but no extra for a copy of the Will if there is one.

http://www.hmcourts-service.gov.uk/cms/1183.htm

posteria

[webeyer]

Posteria!
Thanks a million ... this is a new one to me and I certainly will try it!
I will post any findings,
Have a great weekend, you've given me hope ...fingers firmly crossed......
                         Helga

[posteria]

Helga

The particular link page which I gave does not make it clear that there is an application form (PA1S) which can be printed and used to apply for the search.

That information is on another page and the form itself can be found from the “Forms and leaflets” link on the right hand side of the page.

It makes it a lot easier than sending an unformatted letter.

posteria

[webeyer]

Hi
I took a look at the page, saw all those words (lol) and decided to get reading tomorrow am .... so thanks for the pointer, it'll save my eyes!
Thanks again so much,
                       Best Wishes
                                  Helga

[Kiwi007]

You may have this by now, but just in case:

Name:    James Hogg
Gender:    Male
Birth Date:    abt 1855
Age:    26
Father's Name:    Alexander Hogg
Spouse's Name:    Anna White
Spouse's Age:    23
Spouse's Father's Name:    Charles John White
Marriage Date:    5 Jun 1881
Marriage Place:    Bristol, Gloucestershire, England

[Kiwi007]

From the 1901 census ( name is HALL - a typo), James HOGG ,Upholsterer, & Anna Hollingsworth HOGG nee WHITE, had one daughter, Lilly aged 15, a tailoress ( this is confirmed in the 1911 when Anna states she has one daughter who is still living)- however, I have not found a birth registration for a Lilly/Lily /Lilian born about 1886 in Bristol ( see 1901 census)....and so far haven't found her in 1911! There is a marriage for George Henry LONG to Lilian PARKER 1906 in Bristol...I wonder if "Lilly" was adopted by the HOGGs..or.....??

James HOGG's mother, Elizabeth nee SINCLAIR died early 1884 aged 65. His father, Alexander was a cabinet maker..here are James HOGG's  birth details:
James Hogg
Born   19 Apr 1855 in    Blythswood,Glasgow,Lanark,Scotland
Parents:   Alexander Hogg & Elizabeth Sinclair

I found Alexander HOGG, cabinet maker, in 1841 aged 25, living with about 3 other families in Hunthy St Old Machar, Aberdeenshire -( remember the age is not exact in 1841 censuses). He married Elizabeth SINCLAIR 3 June 1842 at St Nicholas Aberdeen. Haven't found them yet in 1851, but in 1861, the family has Alexandrina b 1845 ( she died Gloucestershire 1883 ), Elizabeth HOGG b 1849, Isabella HOGG b 1852 & James HOGG b 1855 -  (there may have been a son born earlier called Alexander)-living in Glasgow. The family moved to Gloucestershire sometime between 1861 and 1871
James HOGG's sister, Isabella HOGG married James Edward WATTS on 9 Jan 1893 in Bristol
His other sister, Elizabeth HOGG married William FEWING on 31 Aug 1891 in Montpelier , St Andrew, Gloucestershire- William FEWING is a shop keeper in an 1894 directory in Bristol

[webeyer]

Hi Kiwi007, thanks for your help. I have managed to untangle some of the facts you mention. It would appear that Lillian Parker was adopted by the Hoggs, she is my paternal Great Grandmother. I have spent countless hours trying to discover her birth details to no avail. On her marriage certificate (to George Henry Long in 1906) it states that her Father was one Thomas Parker, deceased .. I have no leads on him either although I believe he was also an upholsterer. The Hoggs traveled about quite a bit and only appear on some of the census lists which has complicated matters for me with regard Lilian. I thank you so much again for the effort you have made on my behalf, it is very much appreciated!

[Kiwi007]

My pleasure to help out - the info I posted might help other researchers of the HOGG family! It seems we should be tracing the WHITE, LONG, & PARKER families in fact! I am wondering what info is on the marriage record for Lilian PARKER - does it give Thomas PARKER's occupation? Also, does it have the addresses at time of marriage? Have you ever found the death for James HOGG? I noticed Anna says she is 'married' in 1911 not widowed, so maybe they had split up by 1911...perhaps Anna is Lilian's mother, causing a few ructions in the marriage. If G H LONG was a sailor, maybe Lilian went off to sea with him leaving the son with Grandma Anna in 1911. The HOGG family seems to be missing from the 1851 and 1891 censuses - but I am sure they are there somewhere ( under another mis transcribed name ). I had a quick look at Free BMD and see Lilian & George LONG had at least 2  daughters - Lilian Catherine LONG b 5 Jan 1913 (died Feb 1992 SOM) who married William Hector A BUTLAND 1933 (3chdn) & Gladys M LONG b 1916 . Wm BUTLAND Engineer, b 30 Jun 1900- 1998- the BUTLANDs went to Canada in 1952 for a few months- William stayed longer.
I found a newspaper article from 1871 saying that Alexander HOGG was charged with deserting his wife forcing the parish to look after his family - sentenced to 6 weeks hard labour!(doubt this is James' father as the chdn are too old- but might be James' brother )