Colin Kemp 1858

[Lorretta]

I have Colin Kemp (1858) marrying Caroline Gibb(s) (1857) and they had the following children:-

William 1881 East Grinstead
Thomas 1883 Headley
Beatrice 1885 Headley
Charles 1887 Headley
Frank 1889 Headley
Kate 1891 Headley
George 1894 Headley
Daisy May 1896 Headley
Martin Wilfred 1898 Headley
Robert 1901 Headley

Can you guys find anything out about them? 

Thank you, Lorretta xxx

[Little Nell]

I think that perhaps you have the marriage certificate?  Can you give the names & occupations of their fathers, please.  Then perhaps someone can find them reliably on the 1861 census, although Colin can't be that common a name in the mid 19th century.

Nell

[wozzle]

possibly caroline
1871
RG10/1058/5/6.
eliza gibb age 54. b. withyham,sussex. occ. charwoman. head.(widowed)
caroline age 12. b. east grinstead. occ. servant. daughter.
living at;high street,east grinstead,sussex.

[Mum44]

Hello   

You're right Nell -  only the one - and he keeps being born in the same place 

1861
RG9.  P. 705  Fol. 148  Pg. 8

Selbourne, Hants

KEMP  ( Indexed Hemp  )
Thomas  Head  M   27   Bricklayer    B. Hants, Selbourne
Jane  Wife  M  26                             B.  Sussex, Petworth
Colin  Son  2                                    B.  Surrey, Farnham
Georgina  Dau  1                             B.  Hants. Selbourne

There's a Thomas Kemp aged 70 also a bricklayer next door   

I'll see if he might be Thomas' dad 

[Mum44]

Yes       Think he is   

1851
HO107.  P. 1679  Fol. 272  Pg. 2

Forisside, Selbourne

KEMP
Thomas  Head  M  59  Bricklayer
Maria  Wife  M  56
Charles  Son  Un  23       ~
Thomas  Son  Un  19       ~
George  Son  16              ~
Eli  Son  16                      ~
Jane  Dau  12
Lucy  Dau  9
Daniel  Grandson  8

all born Selbourne, Hants

[Mum44]

1841
HO107  P. 382/17  Fol 33  Pg. 6 & 7

Blackmore, Selbourne

KEMP
Thomas  50  Bricklayer
Maria  45
John  15
Ester  15
Charles  12
Harriet  10
Thomas  9
George  7
Eli  4
Jane  2

all born in county

[Mum44]

Looking for marriages for the two Thomas'

There is a submitted IGI entry for Thomas Kemp and Maria Voakes in Selbourne 9 April 1819

This will need checking on parish registers.

The only marriage for a Thomas and Jane I can find in the time period seems to be

Thomas Kemp  /  Jane Snelling  Q1. 1856  Westhampnett Vol. 2b. Pg. 387

This would fit with Jane being born in Sussex.

BUT -  I can't find a Jane Snelling in 1851 or 1841 who fits the profile, although there is a Snellen family with a Jane in 1841 living in Fittleworth.

On the 1871 census Jane says born Hiddlesworth -  could be Fittleworth ?

Can someone comment on this, please ?

Here's the family in 1871

1871
RG10  P. 1226  Fol. 134 Pg. 18

Cottage Blackham, Selbourne

KEMP
Thomas  Head  M  38  Builder  B.  Hants Selbourne
Jane  Wife  M  37                     B.  Sussex. Hiddlesworth (?)
Colin  Son  12                          B.  Surrey, Farnham
Georgina  Dau  10                   B. Hants, Selbourne
Michael  Son  9                        B. Hants, Greatham
Frank  Son  7                           B.  Hants, Selbourne
Martin  Son  5                          B.    ~              ~
Keturah  Dau  5 mth.               B.     ~            ~

[Lorretta]

Thank you Wozzle and Mum44, this info is really great. 

Little Nell, I don't have a marriage certificate for them yet, lucky for me a relative knew Caroline's maiden name.  The childrens births/bapt came from the local church records (William's bapt took place in East Grinstead).

Is it possible to find out anything about Colin and Caroline's children?  Or can you advise were to look for information on them?

Thanks for your time on this.

Lorretta xxx

[Mum44]

Just sticking with the older Kemps for a moment   

I've found the confirmation of the marriage:

Thomas Kemp married Maria Voakes 9 April 1819 St Mary's Church Selbourne.
Witnesses were Ann Voakes and Elisha Kemp.

This is possibly  Eli, Thomas' brother from the 1841 census.

The Kemp family in Selbourne goes back a long way  -  and they nearly all seem to have been Bricklayers.

Thomas was baptised there 21 Dec 1791, his parents were George Kemp, a bricklayer, and Martha.

George Kemp married Martha Bide October 1771

There are quite a few children  -  let me know if you want them - don't want to swamp you