Looking for a birth

[avm228]

More children for Francis & Martha Clarke from IGI:
  
CATHERINE CLARKE  (extracted)
Birth:  15 November 1836    
Christening:  6 January 1837   Mosley Street Presbyterian Or Unitarian, Manchester

FRANCIS CLARKE (submitted)*

Birth: 10 November 1836
Christening: 6 Jan 1837 Mosley Street, Manchester

*This needs to be treated with care as it is a submitted record and the birth is supposedly 5 days before Catherine's (presumably possible with twins to have them 5 days apart, but not common I would think).

Anna
 

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1841 census: Dawson St, Deansgate, Manchester
HO107/569/9/27/6

Thos Clarke 40 Merchant [an uncle???]
Martha do 13
Frances do 7
Ellen* do 5 [likely to be Helen]
Catherine do 4

plus one servant

This looks likely to be the right set of girls, although for some reason enumerated (like Thomas) as not having been born in the county of Lancashire - if it is them, I wonder where their parents were? (Mother Martha would have been about 6 months pregnant with Elizabeth at the time of the census).

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Marriage (from IGI, extracted):

FRANCIS CLARK   
MARTHA MASON   
Marriage:  8 November 1828   
Holy Trinity, Coventry, Warwickshire

 - a good fit both with the "Mason" middle name of their daughter Frances, and the Coventry birthplace of "cousin" Sarah Reaves.

Anna
 
 

[Necromancer]

Looks like someone else has been researching Fenton - his transcription has been 'commented' in Ancestry - if you know that are looking for Mangnall its obvious even with poor writing, but the transcription is not quality !

Explanation: Have been following family through vaious Census and should be Fenton Mangnall or Magnall
 
Contributer -  pmagnall   
 
Contributed - 24/08/2006   


1841 - HO107/585/3; Salford / Greengage; District: 4; Folio: 39; Page: 5
St Stephens Street

all born in County
 
William Magnalls  60  Agent
Ann do 49 
Mary do 25 
Francis do 20 
Eliza do 20 
William do 15  Ag
Jane do 15 
Edward do 15  Clerk
Lucy Magnalls 14 
Scuton Magnalls 13  original moot, but I'd lean to Fenton
Alfred Magnalls 7 

[Merly]

Nice job ppl. But my Martha Clarke married Fenton Mangnall  in 1853. They had one child. Helen, in 1856.
Martha died in 1857. Fenton remarried in 1860 to Eliza Graves. Fenton and Eliza had a number of children, and most indexes get his name wrong  .  I am following the leads and will order a certificate for Martha as soon as I have the funds. What is on my mind now, (remember I am doing this for my aunt who is only related by marriage) is that some of my mothers family are clarkes. I know the odds, but ......

[Necromancer]

Nice job ppl. But my Martha Clarke married Fenton Mangnall  in 1853. They had one child. Helen, in 1856.
Martha died in 1857. Fenton remarried in 1860 to Eliza Graves. Fenton and Eliza had a number of children, and most indexes get his name wrong

about caught up with you then if you've seen the earlier stuff ! 

[avm228]

But my Martha Clarke married Fenton Mangnall  in 1853. They had one child. Helen, in 1856.

I don't understand your point - surely that's entirely consistent with everything found above?

Anna

[Merly]

nerf, I have been in touch with pmagnall. He does have some interesting stuff. Part of the reason of muy posting here is that my aunt has some original documents, that she would like to return to the mangnall family. This is why i posed the original question. If we can find descendants of Martha, what my aunt has will go to them. If not, we will move on to Fenton and his family.