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Re: Looking for a birth
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 27 January 09 12:12 GMT (UK) »
If I'm right on the family (and I agree you must buy the marriage certificate to confirm the name of Martha's father) the Clarke girls seem to be dispersed by 1851.

Frances (17) and Helen (16) Clarke, both born Liverpool, are pupils at Brookfield Lodge School, Highgate Rise, Kentish Town in 1851:  HO107/1498/304/69.

A Martha Clarke, 21 b Liverpool, is in Milton St, Broughton as "cousin" of Sarah Reaves, a 58 yr old unmarried Proprietor of Houses & Lane b Coventry.  Also in the household is a 9 yr old Elizabeth Clarke, "cousin", b Manchester - possibly a much younger sister of Martha? HO107/2222/178/40.

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Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
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London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
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Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Looking for a birth
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 27 January 09 12:16 GMT (UK) »
I was just going to post the census information about Helen and Frances. The head of household is a professor of languages - It looks like quite a prestigious school, don't you think?

Jen
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Re: Looking for a birth
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 27 January 09 12:17 GMT (UK) »
Fenton's a slippery character !

Suspect this is him - Preston District covers a Broughton ....

Deaths Jun 1892  
 
Mangnall  Fenton  64  Preston  8e 397



and this 1881 enumeration - where Helen is still unmarried niece to spinster Mangnalls, has a 7 year old Fenton nephew too ...

1881 - RG11/3955; Folio: 42; Page: 30 - Broughton in Salford
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Re: Looking for a birth
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 27 January 09 12:18 GMT (UK) »
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There is a Martha Clark born Liverpool c1830 in the Broughton area, somebodies cousin ! But obviously this is pure speculation ....


shoulda gone wiv me gut feeling  :D
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Re: Looking for a birth
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 27 January 09 12:21 GMT (UK) »
Quote from: Newf on Tuesday 27 January 09 12:18 GMT (UK)
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There is a Martha Clark born Liverpool c1830 in the Broughton area, somebodies cousin ! But obviously this is pure speculation ....


shoulda gone wiv me gut feeling  :D

Sorry - didn't mean to echo!  I hadn't seen that you'd already got that.

Re 9 yr old Elizabeth Clarke b Manchester who is with Martha in 1851, there's a submitted record on IGI (so usual caveat, but it looks a good match):

ELIZABETH CLARKE
Birth:  27 September 1841   
Christening:  3 July 1842   Upper Brook St, Manchester

Parents:  FRANCIS CLARKE & MARTHA 


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Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Looking for a birth
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 27 January 09 12:22 GMT (UK) »
Quote from: genjen on Tuesday 27 January 09 12:16 GMT (UK)
I was just going to post the census information about Helen and Frances. The head of household is a professor of languages - It looks like quite a prestigious school, don't you think?

Jen

Yes, it looks like a smart girls' boarding school.  And with cousin Sarah Reaves being a proprietor of buildings & land, this looks like a family with some money. :)

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Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Looking for a birth
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 27 January 09 12:23 GMT (UK) »
wonder if this is our chap .... PoB is Prestwich like his sisters ... he's a Cotton Merchant & Manufacturer, seems to ring a bell ?

1881 - RG11/3937; Folio: 96; Page: 23; - Moss Side, Hulme
Carlton Road Church Croft

he's married to an Eliza, and oldest kid is 19 - so could have remarried after the 1857 loss of Martha ?



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Re: Looking for a birth
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 27 January 09 12:23 GMT (UK) »
No problem Anna - I had posted that before your PR findings ....  :)
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Re: Looking for a birth
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 27 January 09 12:25 GMT (UK) »
Marriages Jun 1860     

Grave  Eliza     Manchester  v8d p174    to  Mangnall  Fenfon     

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