Looking for a birth

[Merly]

Hi, I am looking for info on the birth (and parents) of Martha J Clarke. What I have so far is that Martha Josephine Clarke, married Fenton Mangnall in 1853 at St John's, Broughton (Salford?). They had a child, Helen around March, 1856, also in Salford. Martha died in June 1857. I know Fenton remarried, but would like to know what happened to Helen. From the research I have done, she married some years later and had children. However, my primary interest is Martha's parents? Who were they, and when was she born?  How do I find them? 

[Necromancer]

In 1861, Helen is with an Aunt in Broughton

1861 - RG9/2909; Folio: 101; Page: 9 - Broughton
4, Northern Terrace
 
Mary Mangnall 45 UnMarried  Head No occupation Manchester
Jane Mangnall 35  Sister Prestwich
Lucy Mangnall 33  Sister do
Alfred Mangnall 26  Brother Buyer Cotton Manchester
Helen Mangnall 5  Niece born Salford

Clare McCallum 27  servant

[Necromancer]

Do you have Martha & Fentons Marriage Cert - to reveal Fathers names & occupations ?


There is a Martha Clark born Liverpool c1830 in the Broughton area, somebodies cousin ! But obviously this is pure speculation ....

[genjen]

If you send for Martha's marriage certificate, it will give you the names of both fathers, plus their occupations and whether or not they are still alive at the time of this marriage. From there it should be possible to search censuses and get some way further back. There is a Martha J Clarke on the 1851 census, born Toxteth but unless you know her father's name, you can't be absolutely certain that it is the right one for you.

The marriage ref is:

Sep 1853, Salford, 8d/1

Jen

[Merly]

Thank you Newf, I believe the Helen living with an aunt is the one I am looking for. I am doing this research for my aunt Helen (ironic, i know  ). I don't have a marriage certificate but I do know that Martha married Fenton Mangnall in 1853 at St, Johns, Broughton (RoM Salford 1853 Q3 *d 1) They had Helen (Mar 1856 Salford, 8d 44). Martha died June 1857 (RoD Salford 1857 Q2 8d 15). I don't know what she died of, or where she was buried, or who her parents were. Being from a different country, what do I do now?

[avm228]

Given that you know her middle name was Josephine, this baptism entry from IGI (extracted entry on the index at www.familysearch.org) may be of interest:

   
MARTHA JOSEPHINE CLARKE
Birth:  24 May 1829   
Christening:  1 November 1829   Paradise Street Unitarian Chapel-Nc, Liverpool

Parents:  FRANCIS CLARKE & MARTHA 
 

Anna

[avm228]

The Martha Josephine I posted about above seems to have had 3 siblings baptised at the same chapel, namely Louisa Clarke (1831), Frances Mason Clarke (1833) and Helen Clarke (1835).  So if this is your Martha, she may have named her daughter after one of her sisters.

Anna

[Necromancer]

Being from a different country, what do I do now?

Order the Marriage Cert online at the GRO - http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/ - look for Ordering Online and then follow the prompts to register and fill in the details provided by GenJen above - if I were you I'd just specify Marthas name, as Fentons is not well transcribed in the index.


Then hopefully the Cert will show Father Francis, to match Anna's PR finds   

[Merly]

Thanks to all of you. Will talk to my aunt and see what she wants to do.
Please accept my assertions that you are AWESOME!
Newf, Avm and Genjen