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Re: Mystery Picture
« Reply #18 on: Monday 26 January 09 16:43 GMT (UK) »
hi

i have a question....

Acceber ..you say that the photo is of your Gr grandfather William Sellick b 1881 .... on the 1901 he is 19 ...your Gr granddad looks  older than 19 , if the pic was taken circa 1900. Maybe his cap makes him look older .... sorry don't mean to be rude

or do i have the info wrong?  :-\ :-[

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I  thought that as well!

I just presumed it was later and the original dates were typos! ;D ;D

I would have put it around 1920-5 actually...Lots of post war boots around! I suppose it could be wartime...Hmmm...Except for the old chap second in from left with long coat and hat...they all appear to have military boots of one description or another on...

But your old boy is certainly older than 19!!
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Re: Mystery Picture
« Reply #19 on: Monday 26 January 09 17:22 GMT (UK) »
I have been checking the 1901 census near where William Sellick and family lived (Limebrook Farm)...there is a place named Riding Barn Hill.

Other farms around are;
Toghill Farm
Highfield lodge
Home Apple Hill
Oak Lodge
Holbrook farm
Court farm
Wick Green house and Farm  (the parish is Wick ,,,there is a Wick Church ...wonder if Wick Green house and farm is the main farm?)
Wick Rocks (Rock House)
1 farmer living at Nashcombe Hill

the enumerator mentions a Cold Harbour Farm which I didn't see (or maybe missed  :P)

deb :)

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Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
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Re: Mystery Picture
« Reply #20 on: Monday 26 January 09 18:40 GMT (UK) »
Hello!

Thanks for all your replies!!  :)

re: the date - I estimated he was in his early 20's but that may be wrong. So if the consensus is that it is post 1914 that would would make him 34+, at which point he was living in Wales (so I currently cant find him on the 1911 census). 1920's would make him in his 40's and back in South Glous, i'm not convinced he's quite that old, the chap on the chair looks to me more like he's in his 40's.

re: his height - I don't have an exact height, but from other later pictures he looks quite tall. His brother was 5' 10 on his WW1 conscription forms and my grandad was 6ft.

re: his neck - I was told that his head was tilted because of a cord in his neck (?) which was trapped at birth, and his mother refused to let him have an operation to correct it, (she died in 1908) but he did so later on. (Although that may not be that accurate)

Looks like the general concensus is that they are probably beaters for a shoot then!
I did find these pictures on the net of a beagle hunt - with a not to dissimilar dress. http://www.hunting-directory.co.uk/gallery/huntname_caynsham-0.php

Deb - yes I had a look on microsoft maps ariel pictures and the land definitly looks good for hunting, with large grassy fields and hedges, so it may well be a local building.

Thanks,
acceber
Pattemore: Somerset - Sellick: Glous + Somerset -Sparrow: Glous + Wilts

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Re: Mystery Picture
« Reply #21 on: Monday 26 January 09 20:37 GMT (UK) »
Here are similar boots and breeches...If not the same!!

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Re: Mystery Picture
« Reply #22 on: Monday 26 January 09 20:58 GMT (UK) »
Since we seem to be firmly Gloucestershire-based with this query, I've been having great fun with this website, trying to find a hunt, shooting party, band of decommissioned soldiers  ::) ;D who look like Rebecca's ancestor:

http://www.gertlushonline.co.uk/

Enjoy!

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SOM: BIRD, BURT aka BROWN - HEF: BAUGH, LATHAM, CARTER, PRITCHARD - GLS: WEBB, WORKMAN, LATHAM, MALPUS - WIL: WEBB, SALTER - RAD: PRITCHARD, WILLIAMS - GLA: RYAN, KEARNEY, JONES, HARRY - MON: WEBB, MORGAN, WILLIAMS, JONES, BIRD - SCOTLAND: HASTINGS, CAMERON, KELSO, BUCHANAN, BETHUNE/ BEATON - IRELAND: RYAN (WATERFORD), KEARNEY (DUBLIN), BOYLE(DUNDALK)

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Re: Mystery Picture
« Reply #23 on: Monday 26 January 09 23:11 GMT (UK) »
Keep looking at the chap sitting down-there is something distinctly Irish about the style  of and the manner  in which he is wearing his small hat, very rakish, lots of grooms and stableboys were Irish, coming from the Curragh with Bloodstock bought by English aristocrats. On the other hand the breeches the men are wearing were standard gear for many farmers. Go to Welshpool stockmarket on market days and you can still see them.

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Re: Mystery Picture
« Reply #24 on: Monday 26 January 09 23:29 GMT (UK) »
Keep looking at the chap sitting down-there is something distinctly Irish about the style  of and the manner  in which he is wearing his small hat, very rakish, lots of grooms and stableboys were Irish, coming from the Curragh with Bloodstock bought by English aristocrats. On the other hand the breeches the men are wearing were standard gear for many farmers. Go to Welshpool stockmarket on market days and you can still see them.

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I'd better go and mug a few of them then if front tying WW1 military breeches are still available...They cost a fortune on EvilBay...They are quite, quite rare!

As for the "Irish" hat... Very many men wore hats in that manner in those days, including but not exclusively those form over the water ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Mystery Picture
« Reply #25 on: Monday 26 January 09 23:39 GMT (UK) »
Just a thought....

You say that some of the siblings served in WW1....

What were their ranks?? Do you have any service details??

I bet one was a Lt and a couple were Capt / Maj...

The four with military breeches and boots...and puttees...And they could just be on leave...And mum has knitted them all the same cardy!

 ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Mystery Picture
« Reply #26 on: Tuesday 27 January 09 03:43 GMT (UK) »
Scrimnet


I noticed the cardies too !!!


The guy with the 'bowler hat' also seems to be wearing a cravat .... the guy seated almost looks to be wearing a T-shirt ....as someone said earlier ...it's a very informal picture ... maybe they were not doing anything or going to do anything ..


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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


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