McMinn Mystery Deepens...

[Daisy Loo]

Well, quicker than I thought...some good news, some great news, and some just more confusing news

I see you are both offline, and I'm very disappointed!  Coz, Monica, you were spot on

Yes, I got the BC of Alexander Philip:

Born on the 16th December 1875, in the Union Workhouse, Gravesend , No Father Caroline McMinn, Domestic Servant - Informant: Caroline McMinn, mother, Union Workhouse 14 Chapel Lane, Gravesend (as on cert), registered 4th May 1876

I'll scan in some bits of the BC later, as there is a, maybe irrelevant, maybe not, possible question.

This then confirms, that Caroline was definately in England by 1874.  It was 1881 that we found Philip with his grandmother, right?  Also confirming then, that it was the right Bridget.  I wonder how she ended up in Gravesend.  Will check that address in Gravesend, in 1881.

The second cert I got today was the MC of Matilda McMinn.  She did marry Henry Heath, and he was a Sergeant in the RA, Matilda was listed as 18, but I think she was younger.  Her father was down as Alexander McMinn, but get this, his occupation?  wait for it...CLERK! There were three witnesses...2 of them unclear...but the 3rd...Eliza McMinn.  Will scan bits of that later too, to get clarification.

Which now confirms, that Elizabeth McMinn was also in England from 1874 at least.

[heywood]

Great news Marty!
Now you have everyone tied together. Maybe Matilda was telling the truth- perhaps after he retired, the way he managed to stay in Clonmel was to be a civilian clerk 
Is that it now for certificates? Oh no- reading back it is Isabella's bc.
Looking forward to next instalment.
Kath

[MonicaL]

Wow, all the chickens are coming in 

Great result with that BC for Alexander Philip (I think in my last life I must be a witch - white one mind you ). I am also really pleased to get a real reference to the elusive Caroline who has long eluded us!

As for father Alexander....he's still causing trouble 

Monica 

[Daisy Loo]

Now that we have connected a lot of dots, am adding all the info to my tree on Ancestry...like Caroline, and Alexander Philip...and now we also know that the Bridget is the right one too etc...

Maybe the "hints" will come up with something 

Oh yes, Monica, definately a white one!  Is this day a special   one for you?

[Daisy Loo]

Another little thing...

1891 Caroline McMinn : RG12; Piece: 197; Folio 55; Page 32  Now I know she has a load of other kids...can't read the occupation...but where's the husband?  Could it be our Caroline?  If not, how do I rule her out?

(I knew you had found this somewhere Monica...came across it tonight...)

[andycand]

1891 Caroline McMinn : RG12; Piece: 197; Folio 55; Page 32  Now I know she has a load of other kids...can't read the occupation...but where's the husband?  Could it be our Caroline?  If not, how do I rule her out?

This is not your Caroline. In the 1901 census when your Caroline is at Elizabeths this Caroline Mcminn is with her family at RG13 Piece 294 Folio 125 Page 84 On Ancestry its transcribed as MILEN

Andy

[Daisy Loo]

oh rats!  She's haunting me this Caroline...especially after discovering that she gave birth to her first child (and maybe only) in a workhouse

Maybe she is the lady that went down to Eastbourne then...I wonder what happened to Philip...have looked for him everywhere too, and cannot find any sign of him.

Might ask for a Scavenger hunt on these two.

Thanks for checking that out Andy

[heywood]

I wonder if he followed family tradition and went into the army. It's sad about Caroline and the workhouse - really brings you down to earth.
Are all the major players now accounted for in England. I had been thinking, and I think you may have done too, that there had been some 'toing and froing' between Ireland and England but the workhouse makes me think that this would not have been a habit.
Have a good day!
More snow and ice when we got up but it is sunny now here so fingers crossed.
Kath

[MonicaL]

Morning all  I'm full of cold and this weather is not helping   

No idea on this, just raising it in case anybody may have an answer. Scottish Poor relief records and applications can provide a wealth of additional personal information. Some areas are phenomenal in the way they have maintained their records over the years, other much less so (including those that decided to destroy them all on purpose  ).

Anybody know what the situation re records is for Gravesend Poorhouse for the period we are looking at for the birth of Alexander Philip?

Monica