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Offline Ed8mund

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Norwich Records Office
« on: Friday 23 January 09 15:28 GMT (UK) »
Hello

If anyone is going to the Norwich Records Office would they be kind enough to ask to see the Graves Book for the Rosary Cemetery, Norwich.  I would like to know who owned grave No: 2-3/480
I believe it could be an Allen.

Thanks
Allen, Howe, Brewster,( Lincolnshire and Norfolk)
Daughtrey, Charman, Comper, (Sussex)

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Re: Norwich Records Office
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 27 January 09 20:41 GMT (UK) »
Hi Ed8mund

What years are you interested in?

The Heirtage Centre at the Forum in Norwich has the Rosary Cemetery registers as I have looked at them myself in the past. I live quite near Norwich.

Ben
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LONDON, Coombs, Roberts, Auber, Helsdon, Fradine, Morin, Goodacre
DORSET Coombs, Munday
NORFOLK Helsdon, Riches, Harbord, Budery
KENT Roberts, Goodacre
SUSSEX Walder, Boniface, Dinnage, Standen, Lee, Botten, Wickham, Jupp
SUFFOLK Titshall, Frost, Fairweather, Mayhew, Archer, Eade, Scarfe
DURHAM Stewart, Musgrave, Wilson, Forster
SCOTLAND Stewart in Selkirk
USA Musgrave, Saix
ESSEX Cornwell, Stock, Quilter, Lawrence, Whale, Clift
OXON Edgington, Smith, Inkpen, Snell, Batten, Brain

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Re: Norwich Records Office
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 28 January 09 12:29 GMT (UK) »
Hello

Thanks for you reply.

The grave I am interested in is situated in the Rosary Cemetery. Ref 2-3/480

The years spanning the burials in this grave are 1864 to 1877.

There are 5 persons buried in this grave.

Mary Allen
Mary her daughter
Joseph King
Francis Allen
John Francis Allen

I have a photo of the actual grave, but Mary Allen (senior) has no dates visible.  I think she may have died before her daughter who was only 4 years old when she died.  Mary (junior) was born on 15 March 1864 and died 24 August 1868.

Hope you can help.

Thanks again
Allen, Howe, Brewster,( Lincolnshire and Norfolk)
Daughtrey, Charman, Comper, (Sussex)

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Re: Norwich Records Office
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 28 January 09 19:27 GMT (UK) »
Hi Ed8mund

Do you have Mary Allen Snr on the 1861 census?

There is a death in the Sep Quarter of 1863 for a Mary Allen and the March Quarter of 1865 in Norwich for a Mary Ann Allen. If she gave birth in 1864 then I would go for the 1865 death being the right one.

I would be more than happy to help you with the grave search.

Ben
Researching:

LONDON, Coombs, Roberts, Auber, Helsdon, Fradine, Morin, Goodacre
DORSET Coombs, Munday
NORFOLK Helsdon, Riches, Harbord, Budery
KENT Roberts, Goodacre
SUSSEX Walder, Boniface, Dinnage, Standen, Lee, Botten, Wickham, Jupp
SUFFOLK Titshall, Frost, Fairweather, Mayhew, Archer, Eade, Scarfe
DURHAM Stewart, Musgrave, Wilson, Forster
SCOTLAND Stewart in Selkirk
USA Musgrave, Saix
ESSEX Cornwell, Stock, Quilter, Lawrence, Whale, Clift
OXON Edgington, Smith, Inkpen, Snell, Batten, Brain


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Re: Norwich Records Office
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 29 January 09 11:30 GMT (UK) »
Hello Ben

Thanks for reply.

 I have Mary Allen Snr on the 1851 Census. John* and Mary* Allen were living in Thorpe, Norfolk with Emily age 2 months, Francis Allen 8, John* 32, Mary* 27, William Boyes 27, Jane King 15.

I have a marriage certificate for John & Mary. They were married 2 January 1839 at Parish Church, Stamford St George, Lincoln.  John Allen (father) was a blacksmith and George Brewster (father) was a labourer.  I believe Mary was born in Clipsham, Rutland.

I have sent for the death certificate of Mary who died March quater of 1865.  So will see if I can get anymore information from it.

I am convinced the persons in the grave in Rosary Cemetery must be my ancestors.

I live on the Isle of Wight so it is not easy for me to visit Norwich, but will try to get up there sometime in the summer.

Thanks again
Patricia

Allen, Howe, Brewster,( Lincolnshire and Norfolk)
Daughtrey, Charman, Comper, (Sussex)

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Re: Norwich Records Office
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 05 February 09 12:08 GMT (UK) »
Hello Coombs

I have now received the death certificate for Mary Allen who died  29 March 1865, but I don't think it can be the Mary I am looking for as she was 55 years old at time of death and I don't think she would have had a daughter born a year before when she was 54.  Not sure how long women had babies for in the 1800's!!  Death was registered in sub-district of Coslany, City and County of Norwich.

So I guess it is back to the drawing board.

Allen, Howe, Brewster,( Lincolnshire and Norfolk)
Daughtrey, Charman, Comper, (Sussex)

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Re: Norwich Records Office
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 07 November 10 15:06 GMT (UK) »
Hi. my husband is descended from Mary's sibling George born 1827.  I believe Mary and John Allen lived for a while at Papworth, Cambridgeshire where they had a son Francis. They then moved to Norwich Thorpe, Norfolk where they had a daughter Emily at the beginning of 1851.  That year found them at their home at 2 Thorpe Road where John was employed as a railway porter.  Mary was at home with the two children helped by her niece Jane King (a.k.a. Gibson Brewster).  They also had a lodger William Boyes who was a railway clerk.  Next came a son John born in 1854, George born 1857, Joseph born 1858 and Henry born just four months before the 1861 census.  At that time the family was boarding with Francis J. Chatfield the superintendent of the locomotive railway department of the Eastern Counties Railway at his house along Foundry B Road.  John was employed as a railway porter while Mary was employed as housekeeper, enabling her to take care of their five children.
John took over as licensee of the “Evening Gun” Chalk Hill Road, (now Rosary Road) Thorpe Hamlet on July 28th 1868, but he didn’t stay long, relinquishing the licence to Edward Lake on April 6th of the following year.  (The house adjoined Lollards Pit.  This is a hollow cut into the side of a hill and the area is known to have been used for the practice of burning at the stake, so had a reputation for being haunted.)  By 1871 they had moved to Cattle Hill in St. Michael’s parish of Thorpe where John kept an eating house next door to the Shire Hall Tavern, John junior was an engine fitter and George was a labourer in the station.  Mary was kept busy looking after their seven lodgers helped by a nineteen year old servant named Rebecca Jeffries.  The two youngest sons twelve year old Joseph and ten year old Henry were staying with Francis Chatfield, now an engineer, at his home on Boundary Road.
 John died in the first quarter of 1877 and in 1881 Mary had her daughter and two grandchildren staying with her at her home at Ormesby St. Margaret, West Scratby, Norfolk.  Emily had married Henry Walpole Gilbert, a joiner, in the spring of 1867 and they had three children, Florence M. born 1871, Mary Ann born in 1874 and Henry H. born in 1877.  At the time of the census the middle daughter stayed at home with her father.  Mary herself was recorded as a “retired licensed victualler”.  I think she died in the spring of 1892. Does this tie in with your information?
Regards, Sue Brewster


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Re: Norwich Records Office
« Reply #7 on: Monday 08 November 10 11:02 GMT (UK) »
Hello Sue

Thank you for the info you have sent me.

Yes, I do believe Mary & John Allen are my great grandparents. I have a birth certificate for Francis who was born in Papworth, Cambridge born 1842.  I have visited the parish church of St George, Stamford where they were married on 2 Jan 1839.   John's occupation was a Waggoner and his father Francis a blacksmith.  Francis John Allen was born in Castle Bytham, Lincs.  I have traced the family back to Edward Allen.

It fits that Mary (nee Ann Howe) married to Francis Allen on 13 Jan 1861.  Francis was a railway engineer who died in Great Yarmouth (lodging) on 18 Sept 1875.  Mary (nee Ann Howe) then became a housekeeper at 4 St Andrews Hill, Norwich.  I went to Norwich and no 4 St Andrews Hill is still there.  It is now joined to nextdoor and is a 'mystic' shop.  The weavers rooms on the second floor are now flats.

I think our families must have been constantly on the move!  I have not done any research since May and will get back to it now the winter is upon us.

Thanks again.

Patrica

I will take a longer look at what you have sent.
Allen, Howe, Brewster,( Lincolnshire and Norfolk)
Daughtrey, Charman, Comper, (Sussex)

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Re: Norwich Records Office
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 09 November 10 21:46 GMT (UK) »
Hi Patricia

I'm intrigued by the grave in Rosary cemetery. I would be very surprised if they're not connected, but the dates don't fit with my census info.  Maybe some of the names were added to the memorial at a later date.

Sue