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Re: WW1 1914-1919 !!!!!!!
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 27 January 09 16:12 GMT (UK) »
The chevrons are overseas service stripes came in around 1918(IIRC?)
so probably deployed overseas 1915.

Am sure someone will clarify.

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Spot on matey!

Tj...can we have the other arm as well pse, or the other chaps...There are divisional sins at the top of them and that could ID his unit!
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Re: WW1 1914-1919 !!!!!!!
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 27 January 09 19:09 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Scrimnet - I'll scan and post tomorrow.

And a general comment about this wonderful forum - if you hadn't been prepared to look at an enlarged image, the chevrons wouldn't have been noticed and I would be less knowledgeable. Thanks again.

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Re: WW1 1914-1919 !!!!!!!
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 27 January 09 21:41 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Scrimnet - I'll scan and post tomorrow.

And a general comment about this wonderful forum - if you hadn't been prepared to look at an enlarged image, the chevrons wouldn't have been noticed and I would be less knowledgeable. Thanks again.

Tim

No probs mate!

We all love these old pics, and looking at them is a form of remembrance...The deeds and service are discussed and remembered, and they are thus honoured...

Bit stilted, but that's how I look at this part of the forum...And of course it all adds to the knowledge of ones self...We are but the sum total of not just our own experiences, but that of our forebears...And if we can help in any small part, it adds to the honouring...


Blimey!

That is a bit serious for me... :o  ;)
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            When the forts of Folly fall,
        May the victors when they come
            Find my body near the wall.

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Re: WW1 1914-1919 !!!!!!!
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 28 January 09 17:29 GMT (UK) »
Scrimnet,

Here's the other bloke's left arm - not much better I'm afraid (and that was done at 9600 dpi). But what are the vertical stripes on his forearm?

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Re: WW1 1914-1919 !!!!!!!
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 28 January 09 17:54 GMT (UK) »
The war did not officially end until the peace treaties were signed in 1919... ;D

If you want to get silly about it, a treaty does not come into force until it has been ratified by all the signatories, which means WWI technically ended when the Versailles Treaty was ratified by America in, I think, 1925.
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Re: WW1 1914-1919 !!!!!!!
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 28 January 09 20:10 GMT (UK) »
The Star could be 15th Indian Div...we had a MGC photo on here not long ago similar insignia.
The two stripes are Wound stripes.

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Re: WW1 1914-1919 !!!!!!!
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 28 January 09 20:31 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Ady.

Now you've got me wondering!

At some stage he transferred from MGC to the fledgling Royal Armoured Corps. He was 'demobbed' October 1922 from Bareilly, India - 6th Armoured Car Company. I've got his 'character reference' from his CO. It's a really nice letter, makes me very proud that he was my grandfather.

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Re: WW1 1914-1919 !!!!!!!
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 28 January 09 23:48 GMT (UK) »
The war did not officially end until the peace treaties were signed in 1919... ;D

If you want to get silly about it, a treaty does not come into force until it has been ratified by all the signatories, which means WWI technically ended when the Versailles Treaty was ratified by America in, I think, 1925.

Not so.  Treaties usually provide for coming into force for such signatory states as have ratified when a minimum number of ratifications have been reached, and coming into force immediately for subsequently ratifying states.  I am not sure what the Versailles Treaty, signed on 28 June 1919, provided, but there is no doubt that one major provision came into force on 20 January 1920, viz, the Covenant of the League of Nations, which the USA, notoriously, refused to ratify, to the eternal chagrin of Woodrow Wilson.

So far as Britain was concerned, as I have mentioned in two recent threads on 1918 electoral registers, it was provided by domestic statute that the Great War was not legally concluded until 31 August 1921.  (Anyone who thinks that that was rather late in the day should ponder how long it took for the Second World War to be legally concluded - but that is whole other story stretching to relatively recent times.)

Apropos the 1914-1919 configuration itself (which was, indeed, derived from the Versailles Treaty rather then the Armistice of 11.00 a.m. on 11.11.18), it is not infrequently found in publications relating to WW1, including a number of war memorials.

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Re: WW1 1914-1919 !!!!!!!
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 29 January 09 08:17 GMT (UK) »
The war did not officially end until the peace treaties were signed in 1919... ;D

If you want to get silly about it, a treaty does not come into force until it has been ratified by all the signatories, which means WWI technically ended when the Versailles Treaty was ratified by America in, I think, 1925.

Not so.  Treaties usually provide for coming into force for such signatory states as have ratified when a minimum number of ratifications have been reached, and coming into force immediately for subsequently ratifying states.  I am not sure what the Versailles Treaty, signed on 28 June 1919, provided, but there is no doubt that one major provision came into force on 20 January 1920, viz, the Covenant of the League of Nations, which the USA, notoriously, refused to ratify, to the eternal chagrin of Woodrow Wilson.

So far as Britain was concerned, as I have mentioned in two recent threads on 1918 electoral registers, it was provided by domestic statute that the Great War was not legally concluded until 31 August 1921.  (Anyone who thinks that that was rather late in the day should ponder how long it took for the Second World War to be legally concluded - but that is whole other story stretching to relatively recent times.)

Apropos the 1914-1919 configuration itself (which was, indeed, derived from the Versailles Treaty rather then the Armistice of 11.00 a.m. on 11.11.18), it is not infrequently found in publications relating to WW1, including a number of war memorials.

And of course it is the configuration found on ALL Victory medals issued on the obverse...Not only by this country, but all the Allies... ;)



One more charge and then be dumb,
            When the forts of Folly fall,
        May the victors when they come
            Find my body near the wall.