George Wilfred Frederick Shepherd

[LucyLockett]

oh blimey... more cloak and dagger lol..... just gets worse. DO you think the father only married twice then. I can't find a death certificate for a wife before Elizabeth. I think I may have looked under shaw but could not see anything obvious but maybe having another fresh eye on it may help... perhaps. When I got the marriage certificate for George and Elizabeth I thought it would be easy sailing... my how wrong I was!

[Valda]

Have you discounted this birth registration?

Births Mar 1884   
Sheppard  Frederick George     Islington  1b 251

Regards

Valda

[avm228]

I have him marrying a Mary Ann Onslow or Sarah Smith possibly Q2 1876 Islington and having Eliza Jane Shepherd (Q2 1877 Islington) and Rose Emily "Millie" Shepherd (Q3 1878 Islington). Then I am presuming the wife died but I cannot find a death that matches.

It looks as though he married Sarah Smith, as Mary Ann Onslow seems to have married the other bridegroom on the page (William Barranes).

[carol8353]

Lucy

Who are the witnesses to this 1909 marriage?

Any clues there as to his brothers or sisters.

Just because he collected money for the blind society,doesn't neccesarily mean that he has to be blind himself of course.

Carol

[avm228]

You probably already have this, but the two daughters of Edward C.'s first marriage seem to be being cared for as nurse children by a widow named Mary Ann Ward at 73 Queensland Rd, Islington in 1881 (their names given as Elizabeth Shephard, 4, and Emily Shephard, 2, both born Islington): RG11/268/82/34.

Anna

[LucyLockett]

Thanks guys for the postings.... ok will answer in turn...

Valda - yes found this entry Q1 1884 Frederick George Sheppard (Islington). I decided to go for the other one, stupidly, as I thought the spelling "shepheard" was nearer Shepherd and it was George Frederick. I just knew when I read it yesterday nothing seemed to match. I will prob apply for this certificate but Anna did mention earlier in this posting that perhaps Elizabeth Shaw brought Fred to the marriage but I cannot find a George Wilfred Frederick Shaw either.

Anna - I think you are right about Sarah Smith but the only problem being is that I cannot find a death of Sarah Shepherd before the marriage to Elizabeth. I can find a Mary Ann Shepherd but like you say I think she married the Barranes guy so I have discounted this death.

Carol - Witnesses to the wedding were William Henry Hewett and Grace Hewett. I do not have a clue who these people were and I cannot find them on the 1901 census, can you help? I do not think they are brothers or sisters.

Anna - I had found the two nurse children which I guess gels the story a little that Charles was their father as he is listed as a widower living with his brother.... just so frustrating cannot find death of his wife.

Ok, two more puzzles..... George/Fred's occupation on the wedding certificate is listed as a chair carrier (I am pretty sure it does not say carver as there is definiitely an "i" in the second word)... any idea what this occupation exactly is??

I know Elizabeth Louise Mortimer was blind from childhood but in 1901 census she would have been approx 16 but I cannot find her either living at home or anywhere else... can anyone else find her?? Elizabeth's parents were James and Mary Ann Mortimer (nee Callcut) and they were living in Bethnal Green with Elizabeth's siblings but she appears to be pretty illusive.

Any help guys as always, much appreciated

 

[carol8353]

Ok, two more puzzles..... George/Fred's occupation on the wedding certificate is listed as a chair carrier (I am pretty sure it does not say carver as there is definiitely an "i" in the second word)... any idea what this occupation exactly is??

Lucy

Any chance you could post a small section of the marriage cert here so we can all give our expert opinions on what it says

Carol

[LucyLockett]

Hi carole,
As requested... all information on the marriage certificate:

Marred: 23 October 1909, St Thomas Church in Parish of Bethnal Green in County of Middlesex.

George Wilfred Frederick Shepherd, 25, Batchelor, Chair Carrier (Casiers, Casier ), residence at time of marriage: 14 Georgina Gardens. Father's name and occupation: Charles Edward Shepherd, Labourer.

Elizabeth Louise Mortimer, 25, Spinster, Book Writer (believe she wrote poems and books in braille as she was blind from childhood), residence at time of marriage: 14 Georgina Gardens. Father's name and occupation: James Mortimer, Labourer.

Sydney L Sarel (?) was the vicar

Both George and Elizabeth put "x" where they should have signed their names. Witchesses: William Henry Hewett (signed his name), Grace Hewett ("x").

Was it usual to live together before marriage or perhaps they were lodging there?

As I said I cannot find Elizabeth on the 1901 Census. Her family are listed in Bethnal Green but Elizabeth is not there.

More than anything George or Fred as he was always known is a complete mystery.

Thanks

Vicky

[carol8353]

Vicky

I was rather hoping that you could post a small section of the cert here,so we could look at the chair carrier...........and try and make sense of it.


It is likely he was doing that job in 1901 and it might make it easier toi track him down.

I too have been searching the 1901 high and low for Elizabeth but can't see her anywhere. You say she was blind from birth,and yet the 1891 census doesn't mention it.

Oh and no luck with Grace and/or William Hewitt/Hewett either I'm afraid.

Hmmmmm 

Carol