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Baptism - George COOPER c1881 Iver Heath
« on: Wednesday 21 January 09 18:38 GMT (UK) »
I have spent 2 very frustrating years trying to trace my fathers line.
I had hoped that the 1911 census would finally sort it out for me, but it has confused things further still! Whilst I think I found my gf staying with his grandparents on it, it doesn't fit in with family folklore at all!

The story is that my father was the 3rd George Henry Cooper
My ggf wedding certificate in 1902 states that he was 21 (could they lie btw?)
The story is that they were a farming family from Iver Heath and that my ggf was the 4th son and had to leave the farm - I don't know why.

Would somebody be so kind as to look in the Iver Heath records for a  George Cooper b1881ish please?

I found a David and Fanny Cooper on the 1871 census with several children including a daughter Elizabeth 11 and a son George 6. Something traumatic happened as in 1881 there is no wife and no George plus several others missing, and Elizabeth is housekeeper. Could George perhaps have died in that 10 years and then his wife died giving birth to another son that was called George but being looked after by grandparents at the time of the census? It's a theory that fits the appearances......
I can't find them at all in 1891...
It's all very frustrating!
Any help appreciated
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Re: George Cooper c1881 Iver Heath
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 21 January 09 19:00 GMT (UK) »
Hi Wookietoo,

What does the 1911 census say for George - birth place, birth year, grandfather's details?

Also, what are his father's name and occupation on the marriage cert, and who were the witnesses?

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Re: George Cooper c1881 Iver Heath
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 21 January 09 19:16 GMT (UK) »
Well on the 1911 census I found a George Henry Cooper of the right age, born in Walworth (his birth cert says Southwark), where his parents were married. I also found a Mary Cooper in hospital, which may be coincidence, but that was his mother's name and so would perhaps explain why George is with grandparents.
BUT those grandparents come from Warwick, he was a butcher, and so were his sons....

.....so doesn't fit the story. Very convincing though  ;D

Witnesses don't help as one is brides side and the other is illegible....maybe Golding
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Re: George Cooper c1881 Iver Heath
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 21 January 09 19:20 GMT (UK) »
Theres only 1 George in the Eton District BMD records - cant find him in 1881 either .... the family looks 'normal' in 1881, Fanny has died and most of the kids are around plus new uns. Eliza is in service, George is missing.


No, it wasnt checked what age you stated on a Marriage Cert - and 'of full age' (21 or over) is quite common ...

Births Mar 1865    
 
COOPER  George     Eton  3a 403
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Re: George Cooper c1881 Iver Heath
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 21 January 09 19:21 GMT (UK) »
1891, David has remarried - a Harriet, born Rickmansworth, Herts c1833 .... nobody else at home....

RG12/1133; Folio 100; Page 25 - Iver

Marriages Mar 1883   
 
COOPER  David    Eton  3a 579    to  DRURY  Harriet     
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Re: George Cooper c1881 Iver Heath
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 21 January 09 19:25 GMT (UK) »
Unless that 1902 Marriage Cert confirms that a David, Ag Lab is the father of George, I think you have the wrong ancestors in Iver Heath ?
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Re: George Cooper c1881 Iver Heath
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 21 January 09 23:04 GMT (UK) »
Hi Newf
I think you could be right, I think that I have gotten into such a muddle over the last few days since the 1911 came out, that I am confusing the generations! I also made my original posting in a rush, which didn't help....

I'll start again I think....
I was reasonably happy that the George Henry I found on the 1911 census may well be my gf.

His Birth cert details:
George Henry Cooper born 24.8.04 son of George Cooper and Sophia Mary Cooper nee Apthorpe. Father Railway Porter of Brandon Street Newington. Registered in Newington North, Southwark.

In 1911 I have Sophia Mary Cooper as a patient in Southwark Infirmary
They also had a daughter known as Maisie that I have never been able to trace at all, and I'm pretty sure that Maisie isn't her real name. In 1911 there is a Mary A Cooper also in hospital, but in Hackney. Coincidence? I don't know.

On the 1902 marriage cert George Cooper aged 21, a shunter, marries Sophia Mary Apthorpe 22.
His father is given as George Cooper, Shunter. They married in Walworth, Southwark.
A shunter wasn't a driver, but somebody who unhitched wagons.

That is the end of known facts..

1911 census shows a George Henry Cooper aged 6 born in Walworth living in Albany Road Southwark with grandparents.....George Cooper unemployed scaleman and cutter aged 55 from Warwick, Eliza tie maker 51 from Hayes Middx and EIGHT children (but no George). George was a butcher and his sons seem to be following in his footsteps.

My gut feeling is that this could be him.....but it doesn't fit in with the Iver Heath legend mentioned in my first post.
My mother claims that my father was the 3rd George Henry - certainly he is George the 3rd.

Hence my confusion and asking if anybody can find a George born in Iver Heath in 1881!!

If any of you experts can pinpoint something I would love to hear from you!
It's a shame that George Cooper is such a common name...
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Re: George Cooper c1881 Iver Heath
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 21 January 09 23:06 GMT (UK) »
1891, David has remarried - a Harriet, born Rickmansworth, Herts c1833 .... nobody else at home....

I had found that one, but it's a different address in the same street, and his age isn't right.
David also pops up in 1901 married to  Louisa, again in the same street
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Re: George Cooper c1881 Iver Heath
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 22 January 09 10:29 GMT (UK) »
Good, we'll take it from there then !  :)

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On the 1902 marriage cert George Cooper aged 21, a shunter, marries Sophia Mary Apthorpe 22.
His father is given as George Cooper, Shunter. They married in Walworth, Southwark

Does Sophia Mary give her PoB in 1911 ?

I'll see what shows up using the probable link to the George from Warwick - the grandparent in 1911.
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