All census to 1901 Joseph BAPTIST

[Richard Knott]

Let me get this straight:

In 1911 we have
Joseph BAPTIST.  Head,32. M. Coachman (travellers) Bishopsgate St.
Emma BAPTIST,  Wife, 43, M, 10 yr., Tower Hill.
Fred BAPTIST, Son, 9, Pimlico.
at 21/2 Block Sutton Street.

Working backwards, in 1901 we found
22 in 23 Little Sutton St, Clerkenwell, London
Elizabeth BAPTISTE   Head   Widow   50   Book folder    Worker   London, Southwark
Joseph BAPTISTE   Son   Single   21   Mail Driver   Worker   London, Bishopsgate
Frances HOWES[?]   Sister   Married   48   Laundress   Worker   London, Southwark

I think rather than working forwards from a marriage for people who may or may not be Joseph's parents, it would be better for Osborn to buy the birth cert for the Joseph James BAPTIST in 1880 to try to confirm parents that way (sorry Osborn, when I suggested this earlier I didn't notice you'd already found the ref for that cert).

Prue

We also have a marriage certificate that gives Joseph, deceased, printer, as Joseph's father; but the birth certificate is clearly sensible as it will give his mother's maiden name.

Richard

[osborn]

Thank you all for your help.  It looks as though I will have to apply for Josephs birth certificate as you suggest.       
                                                                 Osborn

[PrueM]

I think that's the best option in light of the confusion with names etc...let us know when you get it!

[Richard Knott]

...and while we are waiting, this is Joseph's brother in 1871:

RG10/656  (indexed under HAPHOT!?)
Joseph Baptist, 69 (!), musician
Margaret Baptist, 49
Francis Baptist, 21, printer (out of employ) - I think!
Elizabeth Baptist, 21, bookbinder  box maker (died Mar 1879)

By 1881 (RG11/588 under Baptish) he had become a box maker; still living with his parents.

Richard

[PrueM]

Wow, good find Richard!!  HAPHOT?!  I know the writing is a bit awkward to read, but really...

I think  you're right about Francis's job description, but Elizabeth is a Box Maker, not a bookbinder.

Prue 

[Richard Knott]

Um, yes. I've clearly lost it.

R

[osborn]

WOW!!  How cool are you guys for finding that -  keep up the good work.
                         Osborn

[Richard Knott]

I love it when most of the work has been done before:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,302209.0.html

Richard

[PrueM]

Darn - and on p.2 of that thread, there's a link to an earlier one:

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,280927.0html

Osborn, you should really either continue with old threads, or at least post links to the old threads on any new one that you start, so that we know what's already been done.  As it is it looks like a lot of what we have found on this thread has already been found by others, so we are just going around in circles.

Once you get Joseph James BAPTIST's birth certificate, post the info on THIS thread and we can go forward from there 

Cheers
Prue