All census to 1901 Joseph BAPTIST

[Richard Knott]

The London Metroplitan Archives holds a number of records for inquests but, without looking, I have no idea whether they hold the ones you want.

Richard

[osborn]

Thanks Richard.  Where do I go from here - do they accept questions/requests by letter or online and do you know if they will send copies of inquests held in 1917 ?  I have never dealt with them befpre.

                              Osborn???

[Richard Knott]

They do have a research dept that will look things up for you (for a fee, although they will tell you what they have for nothing). If you can get there yourself, you don't need to book and they are very quick at producing documents. Alternatively I can give you the name of a researcher I have used who is good and charges reasonable rates.

I suggest you contact them and ask them what they have:
http://www.cityoflondon.gov.uk/Corporation/LGNL_Services/Leisure_and_culture/Records_and_archives/

Did you ever buy the Margaret Cundle/John Baptist DeLain marriage certificate in Jun 1842?
If not, I can tell you that John Baptist De Lain is described as a musician, so it is the same person, and his father was Ambrose Baptist De Lain (deceased), also a musician.

Ambrose Baptist Dolan died at Waterloo Road in Lambeth in 1832 aged 50.

Richard

[osborn]

Hi Richard -  What a great web site you have given me .  I will certainly contact them with my query.

Yes, I did buy the marriage cert. mentioned.  I did not have the info. you gave re Ambrose Baptist Dolan .  Thanks for that also.  Would you be able to find any further info. re said Ambrose Baptist DOLAN??  There are SO many different variations of the surname spelling!!
             
            Osborn             

[Richard Knott]

I haven't seen anything else about Ambrose Baptist Delane/Dolan.

On the assumption that the Joseph Baptiste, musician, who married a Margaret Cundle some time before 1847/8 is the same as the John Baptist Delain, musician, who married Margaret Cundle in 1842 (and I have found a Jane d Joseph & Margaret, musician, b 1843 Lambeth which adds to the case), the top of your tree now looks like:

John/Joseph Baptiste/Delain, musician, bc1818 son of Ambrose Baptist Delane, musician (c1782-1832).

I can't believe this family isn't connected:

1837 Charlotte and Elizabeth baptised, daughters of John and Charlotte Baptiste Delane, musician of Pleasant Row, Newington
1842 Joseph John Baptist Delane baptised, son of John and Charlotte Delane, showman of Thurlow Place, Newington

1841  Newington  HO107/1064/4
John Baptist, 45, hawker, N
Charlotte B, 35, Y
Rose B, 18, Y
Charlotte B, 11, Y
Elizabeth B, 8, Y
Rebecca B, 6, Y
Sarah B, 2, Y

1852 marriage  Waterloo
Thomas Poniah Watkins, musician, son of Poniah Watkins, musician
Elizabeth Washbrook Baptiste Delaine, minor, dau of John Baptist Delaine, musician.
They were living in Waterloo Road (see post about Ambrose's death above).

I also came across this chap:

Buried 1831
Lewis Baptist deLane, aged 58, of Justin St, Lambeth

I will look for the above family in later censuses to find a clue as to where they came from, but my guess remains France with John, Lewis, Baptist really Jean , Louis, Baptiste, etc

Richard

Added later: I suspect they are the Baptist family living in Lambeth in 1861 (RG9/342: John, 60; Shorbet, 58; Rosina, 30; Charlotte, 28; Betsey, 27; Rebecca, 25; Joseph, 21; S(a)r(ah), 20?) with some of the daughters married but retaining their surname. If so, all births are 'London' and he has become a bootmaker, so it doesn't help much.

[osborn]

Hi Richard - While I try and digest all the info. you have supplied I have sent away for the death cert. of Joseph J. Baptiste (b. 1880 St. Botolph London).  Maybe this will throw some light on the family....here's hoping!

I still cannot find the above Baptist/e in the 1881 census nor in the 1891 census....any ideas???
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[osborn]

Hi Richard - I have just received the copy of the death cert. of Joseph John Baptiste, died 1923, 56y.o. occup. house breaker (master)!!!!!  I am sure they mean HORSE breaker....the informant was Susan B. Baptiste, sister-in-law.

I am still searching through all "my" Baptist/es, but I cannot find any of them marrying a Susan.  I think I may be on the wrong track with this one..
                                           Osborn.

[Richard Knott]

Dec 1907  Croydon
Susan Blanche White
Harry Baptiste

They appear together in the 1911 census; he is 41, she is 32.

There is a Harry Baptiste, 10, in the 1881 census with a brother Joseph W, 15; but I haven't looked very hard.

The following are all registered as children of Joseph and Hannah Baptist, labourer of Newington:
         Thomas (Apr 1867); Daniel William (Aug 1869); Harry (Jun 1871)

Richard

[osborn]

Richard - I have today received a copy of the birth cert. of EMMA EVELEIGH (mother of FREDERICK JAMES BAPTIST)  She was born on 10th June, 1861.  She did tend to "change" her age on different occasions.  Her mother and father are as we found.

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