Thomas Bell GIBBONS - Marlow

[joanscottallen]

This Sarah cannot be mother of Thomas Bell Gibbons.  He was born c. 1818 but this Sarah died in 1810.  I know parents of Thomas Bell were Thomas and Sarah.  Perhaps Thomas married again after death of his first wife.?
Do you know where I can check register of marriages after 1810?
Kind regards
Joan A.

[joanscottallen]

A further thought - old Thomas would have been 73 when Thomas Bell G. was born - a little old for fatherhood perhaps? 
I am coming to conclusion that this Thomas and Sarah are not parents of Thomas Bell.
What do you think?
Regards
Joan A.

[Kaysy]

I have marriages on microfiche for All Saints Gt Marlow, there are no other marriages for a Thomas Gibbons or variations of the name after 1810 .I think you are right Joan, it does seem to be the wrong Thomas and Sarah.
I have just checked the baptisms from All Saints Gt Marlow up to 1829, it seems that Thomas and Sarah had no children baptised at Gt Marlow after or before Thomas Bell Gibbons. There are other Gibbons families in Gt Marlow, no Thomas and Sarah's.
Regards,
Kaysy

[joanscottallen]

Again, many, many thanks for your interest.  I am fascinated with all the information that you have given.  Will have to have another look at the census of 1841 to see if there is any other information that would give any clues. 
At present the hard facts are that Thomas Bell G. was born in Dec 1818, to parents Thomas and Sarah.  Thomas senior was a coal merchant.  Thomas Bell G. was baptised in All Saints, Marlow in January 1819.  The parents of Thomas Bell G. are NOT the Thomas and Sarah (nee Crockett) who died in 1824 and 1810 respectively.
Were there any other churches in Marlow at this time?
I am going to start another line of inquiry - for the wife of Thomas Bell G.  She was Hannah Robinson, born in Hambleden around 1817 - 1818.
Kind regards
Joan.

[Kaysy]

Hi Joan,  The other church's in Gt Marlow besides All Saint's C Of E were Holy Trinity C of E, built in 1852 in Gun Lane, which provided for the poor, but growing area North of the Town, on one notice it stated it had 200 sittings, I have part of an Ordnance Map where it says 500 sittings. On occasions I have seen it mentioned as All Saints with Holy Trinity. In the burial book I have, in 1859 there is N C besides the names of some burials, this  meant New Churchyard, I was wondering if this meant also, in the Churchyard at Holy Trinity. Perhaps some kind person from rootschat would be able to answer this.
Other Churches were: St Peter's Catholic Church, Christchurch Congregational & Presbyterian, Wesley Chapel.
 I have just checked in the 1841 census for Gt Marlow, as follows.
Thomas Gibbons 55 Coal Merchant. (Y)
Sarah Gibbons 50 (Y)
Thomas Gibbons 20 (Y)
William Gibbons 14 (Y)
Sidney Gibbons 10 (Y)
Living in St Peter's Street Gt Marlow.
Think this may solve your problem of the parents. In familysearch a marriage between
Thomas Gibbons and Sarah BELL 16th June 1816 St Mary Aylesbury.
Kind Regards,
Kaysy

[joanscottallen]

I have been looking at the census records for 1851 onwards for the family of Thomas and Sarah Gibbons, their children listed in 1841 are  Thomas, William and Sidney.
I think that William (born c. 1825)  married Elizabeth.  A listing in 1861 gives William as a coal merchant, so likely that he took over business from father Thomas.  Thomas and Sarah are  listed as living in St. Peter's Street Marlow in 1841.  This would be an ideal location for coal business as it is just beside the Thames and coal would have been brought to Marlow by river barge.   A later census gives William Gibbons as a farmer in Wycombe district.  I wonder if he advanced to being a landowner?  William in not in 1901 census, so may have died, but Elizabeth is there.  Do you know if they had any children?
I can see no record for Sidney in (or after) 1841, I wonder if he died?
Thomas Bell Gibbons (the eldest child of Thomas and Sarah) married Hannah Robinson (born in Hambledon).  Have you seen their marriage record?  I think they were married in Hambleden, between 1841 and 1851.  They are listed in the 1851 census as visiting in Llanbeblig, Caernarvonshire.  They emigrated to Australia around 1856 so would not appear in any later records.
Kind regards
Joan.

[Kaysy]

Hi Joan, Did you notice the marriage between Thomas Gibbons and Sarah Bell
16th June 1816 St Mary's Aylesbury. Like some families, including mine the maiden name of the wife was also used, so Thomas Bell Gibbons, became the son of Thomas and Sarah (nee Bell).

Thomas (Junior) was born c. 1818 (Baptised 14.1.1819), seeing Thomas (senior) and Sarah Gibbons (nee Bell) were married 1816, I was wondering, as there is a space until Thomas (Junior) was born, it is possible there could have been another child.

I have been going through the burial's for All Saints Gt Marlow for the Gibbons.
There is a burial for a William Gibbons Son of Thomas 15.7.1821. (Babe)

!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have just found a baptism for William Edward Gibbons son of Thomas and Sarah Gibbons Born 3.1.1826 Bap:16.4.1826. (Coal Merchant)
Look forward to your comments.
Kind Regards,
Kaysy.

[joanscottallen]

Hello Kaysy -

I have copied your reply with my comments at places marked between ***.

Did you notice the marriage between Thomas Gibbons and Sarah Bell
16th June 1816 St Mary's Aylesbury. Like some families, including mine the maiden name of the wife was also used, so Thomas Bell Gibbons, became the son of Thomas and Sarah (nee Bell).

***Yes, I had seen that marriage.  It is this Thomas (junior) that went to Australia in 1856 (or there abouts).  He had married Hannah Robinson, from Hambleden. I wonder where their marriage record can be found? They started a Gibbons dynasty in Australia.  I am researching on behalf of one of these Australian Gibbons.***

Thomas (Junior) was born c. 1818 (Baptised 14.1.1819), seeing Thomas (senior) and Sarah Gibbons (nee Bell) were married 1816, I was wondering, as there is a space until Thomas (Junior) was born, it is possible there could have been another child.

*** There are big spaces between Thomas Bell, William Edward and Sidney, the three children of Thomas and sarah as listed in the 1841 census.  Perhaps they were not that fertile!!  So Thomas could have been the first. ***

I have been going through the burial's for All Saints Gt Marlow for the Gibbons.
There is a burial for a William Gibbons Son of Thomas 15.7.1821. (Babe)

!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have just found a baptism for William Edward Gibbons son of Thomas and Sarah Gibbons Born 3.1.1826 Bap:16.4.1826. (Coal Merchant)
Look forward to your comments.

*** This William is (I think) the William married to Elizabeth who appears in the 1861 census as a coal merchant.  I wonder where they got married?  In the 1851 census there is a William married to an Elizabeth who is farming 150 acres in Hughenden, but I suspect it may be a different William.  But there is no William living in Marlow in 1851, so I am confused.  Perhaps he was outside the county in 1851, in fact his brother Thomas Bell and wife were in Wales!***

And what of poor Sidney?  I think he may have died young.

I think that if I am to make some sense of all these Gibbons I need to join a family history group.

Kind regards
Joan.

[supermoussi]

No idea whether they were connected to yours but during the 1700s there were some wealthy GIBBONs living just over the Bucks/Middx border in Stanwell. Their house would now be in the middle of the QE2 reservoir!!!

See:-

http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=22239
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=22242
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibbons_Baronets