THOMAS Family of Llanelly

[English Daisy]

Hi Bynea Girl

I looked up the 1891 and 1901 censuses for Thomas Griffiths today.

Could you please tell me why you think the Glamorgan Thomas
Griffiths is the correct one.

Your thoughts appreciated.

Thank you
English Daisy

[Bynea Girl]

English Daisy,

Thomas Griffiths 1858 was born in Pembrey not in Llanelly. The places are entirely separate.  Thomas Griffiths in 1891 & 1901 was living in Clydach (the Parish of Ystradyfodwg) which is north of Swansea going into the Swansea valley and up into the Rhondda valley.
In the 1870s the Cambrian Colliery opened and there would have been much work for the Thomas Griffiths of the world.

Thomas Griffiths the husband of Rebecca is most certainly not the Thomas Griffiths of your search.  This person was born on the Bryn which is miles away further east than Pembrey.  In fact in the 1861 census he appears on the same page as my g.g.grandfather!!

I havenīt looked at the Thomas Griffiths from Colliers St Llanelly, but if you were born in Pembrey it was Pembrey and if you were born in Llanelly it was Llanelly not Pembrey.

Regards
Bynea Girl.

[English Daisy]

Hi Bynea Girl

Thank you for your post.  Yes, I knew Pembrey and Llanelly were separate places.  I was thinking of Pembrey as a Sub-district at the time.

I have two certified birth certificates.

1837 Certificate
Registration district is Llanelly
Llanelly is Sub-district in County of Carmarthen

1860 Certificate
Registration district is Llanelly
Pembrey is Sub-district in County of Carmarthen

In the future, I will type:
Pembrey, Carmarthen and Llanelly, Carmarthen. 

Lots to learn when one lives outside UK!

For anyone interested in posting more information on Thomas Griffiths, 
 it is best that a new thread be started.

Regards
English Daisy

[kath202]

Hi English Daisy

This query isn't about your current thread, but I'm new to Rootschat and aren't sure how else to contact you.

I notice that last year you were interested in George Price and Allen Hayes Price. I am related to them and wonder if you are too.

Let me know!

[English Daisy]

Hi kath202

Yes, I am related to George Price, station master.

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[roycymru]

Hi English Daisy

Thought I would search and see where Mill Street was in relation to Water Street in 1841. This is where it gets confusing as there was a Mill Street and a "Wern" Mill Street. Also there was a Lower Water Street,  two Water Streets in different districts  and a "Wern" Water Street!

I did find Ann Griffith on page 9 at Mill Street (District 6). Preceding this page 1-8 covers one of the Water Streets! This seems the most likely candidate for the Water Street your John Thomas lived at. Although in 1841 I couldn't initially find a definite John Thomas living in Water Street there was a  Jno Thomas (35) Printer and Jno Thomas Jnr(?) (9) (on page 7). There seem to be several first names abbreviated to Jno on this page. Looking on the Internet the most commonly agreed consensus for what Jno means is John

http://www.british-genealogy.com/resources/registers/registers/realnames.htm


This is confirmed by the fact that on this page is a Jno Christopher (26) a Tide Waiter and in the 1851 census there is a John Christopher (36) a Tide Waiter.

Therefore to me this definitely looks like your John Thomas!

I thought I have found him again in 1851. John Thomas a Master Printer employing 2 men. Age 44, born abt. 1807, born Carmarthen. Now living at Priory Street Carmarthen (HO107/2473/ F348), with wife Amy (37), Son Wiliam (11), and daughters Miriam (7), Martha (4) and Alice (2). However there was a John Thomas 36 a Printer living at Peter Street in Carmarthen in 1841, so I think this may be this one.

However the earlier references I found to "John Thomas, Water Street Llanelly  listed as a Printer at http://www.llanelli-history.i12.com/Trade%20Directories_hunt%201849.htm in 1849 and a Thomas listed as a printer at Water Street in 1844 http://www.llanelli-history.i12.com/Trade%20Directories_pigot%201844.htm but this time no first name and is listed as Rees and Thomas Water St." now look highly likely to be your John Thomas.

Ideally you need to find a John Thomas, Printer in Llanelly in 1851. I can't but others might.

Roy

Hi

I know we couldn't find John Thomas as printer in Llanelly again in 1851 but in the following directory http://www.llanelli-history.i12.com/Trade%20Directories_post%20office%201866.htm from 1866 there is a reference to a John Thomas of Water Street again

" Weekly Newspapers

Two newspapers are published: The Guardian, printed and published every Thursday by the proprietors Messrs David Williams & Son; Price 1d; Liberal Politics; Office Swanfield Place

The Llanelly Telegraph: Printed and published every Thursday morning by the proprietor Mr John Thomas; Price 2d; Liberal Politics; Offices Water Street and Upper Park Street

Both of which have a respectable circulation."

Therefore it might be worth looking in the 1861 and 1871 census for him.

My subscriptions are currently expired, can anyone help and try and find him?

Thanks

[roycymru]

Hi English Daisy

You may have already found him already but I have managed to find John Thomas in 1851! This time living at Upper Water Street:

John Thomas (44) Head, Married, Master Printer Employing 3 Men, Born Carmarthen
John Morgan Thomas (19) Son, Printer, Born Carmarthen

Both of these tie up with the 1841 Census entry

Plus living with them were:

Mary Thomas (39) Wife, Born Neath
David Godfrey Thomas (4), Born Llanelly
Henry Griffith Thomas (1mth), Born Llanelly
Mary Eliza Thomas (2) Born Llanelly

Given the 3 younger children were born Llanelly (and all less than 10) that John Morgan Thomas was born in Carmarthen and in 1841 there is no mention of Mary I wonder if Mary was his second wife?

Anyway, hopefully there is enough there to keep you busy!

Roy

[welshbuttercup]

I am completely new to this form of communication so please forgive errors.

Your last post to Welsh Daisy is correct and I need to contact her as I am a relative.

Welsh Buttercup

[welshbuttercup]

Dear English Daisy,

I'm such a new member that I cannot get the hang of this at all! I can't send a PM as requested because  I need more posts, and  I, too, would prefer to do our connecting "out of the public eye". Can you suggest how I can reach you without either of us disclosing details.

welshbuttercup