lochiel from turriff

[fifer56]

Karen/carol

apology's for not replying as have been trying to get my head round info i got from somebody on Genes Reunited but it appears she may have missed a generation

the information she gave me was as follows

john lochiel b approx 1790 married Ann hay (b1790 ?)

children john no DOB married Ann McCain4/11/1811 at north church Aberdeen

daughter lily born 1892 ?

other children Alexander b1811,Charles1817,James b1825 and Isabella b1827

more info on next post
Norrie

[fifer56]

carol/Karen

the source of her info as read

UK and us directories 1680-1830,John lochiel(vintner) address piries court,ship row Aberdeen(1829) and states john married Ann hay at north church Aberdeen on 4/11/1811

would be interested in your thoughts

Norrie

[karenmarie]

Hi Norrie,

This is some of what I have for this family.

John LOCHELL m Ann HAY 4 Nov 1811

Children:

Alexander LOCHIEL b 22 Aug 1811  St Nicholas, Aberdeen
Charles LOCHIEL b 01 jul 1817 St Nicholas, Aberdeen
John Hay LOCHIEL b 15 Jan 1816 "      "           "
James LOCHIEL b 30 May 1825  "       '         "
Isabel LOCHIEL b 3 Oct 1827   "         "            "
Margaret LUCHALL b 28 Nov 1829  "      "       "

John Hay LOCHELL m Jane SMITH 2 Aug 1842 Old Machar, Aberdeen.
(I think this is possibly a first marriage, possibly where William 8 from the 1851 census comes from, there does not appear to be any children for this couple on the IGI)

As well as the children for John Hay LOCHIEL and Margaret BLAKE that Carol has found, there is also Mary Blake LOCHIEL b 1859 Marnoch, BANFF and Mary Ann LOCHIEL b1863 Turiff, ABERDEEN.

This is from my notes, I also have stuff from Scotlandspeople, but my computer is running very slow at the moment, so it's going to take me a while to get the info together.

The information about Ann MCCAIN and a daughter Lily doesn't quite add up.  The marriage date given is that of John LOCHIEL and Ann HAY and someone getting married in 1811 wouldn't be having a daughter in 1892.  It does look like there has been a generation missed out.

The information above is all extracted info from the IGI, the spellings are as they are on IGI, as this is a name that does not bring up variants.

Shall let you know what I have from SP when i get it together, but could be tomorrow.

Karen

[karenmarie]

Hi Norrie,

Have been on SP.  I haven't viewed any of these certs, but this is just info from my previous searches for Lochiels.

John LOCHIEL and Ann McBAIN m 1887 St Nicholas Aberdeen
Lily Ann LOCHIEL b 1892 St Nicholas AB
Annie LOCHIEL other name McBAIN d 1927 aged 71 st Nicholas Ab
Lily Ann LOCHIEL on KELMAN d 1934 Aberdeen

This looks like your family in the 1881, all at Old Machar , Aberedeen:

5 Kintore Place

John LOCHIEL  M 65
Margaret          F  55
Thomas            m  27
James               m  20
Margaret           f  12

67 Upper Denburn

George LOCHIEL  m 25
Mary                    f  25
George                m  5
Jane                     f  3
Margt.                  f  5m

62 Skene Square

John LOCHIEL   m  31
Christina           f  29
Duncan M          m  1

This John (who is probably the son of John and Margaret Blakie) Marries Christina Munro 1878.  Christina dies in 1884 aged 29.  And he could possibly then marry Ann McBAIN.  The certs actually need to be viewed to work it all out properly, as the original couple John LOCHELL and Ann HAY had other sons who could have kids with similar names.

Karen

[madash]

Hi Norrie

Just to throw a spanner in to the works,
My G.G.G. Grandfather was John Lochiel and He married Janet Hay.
This information came from  my G.Grandmother death certificate.
Her name was Catherine Young MS Brown (born 1857 Lanark)
Her parents were John Brown and Janet Brown...M.S. lochiel (born 1825 in Aberdeen) They had a number of children
James Clyne Brown 1854
Catherine Brown 1857
Charles Lochiel Brown 1862
John Brown 1864
Robert Dions 1868

Think I've got it right.
If anyone can shed some light on this family that would be great.
Freda
 

According to Janet Browns Death Certificate, her parents were
John Lochiel (mill worker) and Janet Lochiel. M.S. Hay.

[fifer56]

thanks for replying looks like a visit to registry house is the only way it will be sorted out ?

we appear to have a mix up somewhere with conflicting information coming in from different sources. thanks for all your help and will post info when after i go to register house.

norrie