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Gypsy connections?
« on: Monday 12 January 09 17:19 GMT (UK) »
Hi.

I am posting this on behalf of a distant relative in Canada.

Her great grandmother was Phoebe MERRIN born in Elston around 1850 and who married Robert JOHNSON and moved to Newark.

There is a family story that Phoebe had a gypsy heritage and that her parents spoke Romany around the house! Might be total fabrication but thought I would post on her behalf to see if anyone could give any pointers as to how to go about researching whether there were gypsies in the Merrin family....

Thank you in advance on her behalf :)

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« Reply #1 on: Monday 12 January 09 17:54 GMT (UK) »
Census when Phoebe is with Robert give her y.o.b. as 1864/5

so this is possibly her pre marriage
1861
Silthorpe notts
Charles Merrin head M 37 blacksmith emp 1 man Flintham Notts
Sarah wife 32 Elston Notts
Pheby daughter 7 elston Notts
jane daughter 5 Elston Notts
RG9 2483 6 6

no sign of Romany root at first glance

Wonder if it was Robert who had Romany origins???

Of course, it could just be Pheby's country dialect which sounded different!!!

Suz
Thornhill, Cresswell, Sisson, Harriman, Cripps, Eyre, Walter, Marson, Battison, Holmes, Bailey, Hardman, Fairhurst Noon-mainly in Derbys/Notts-but also Northampton, Oxford, Leics, Lancs-England
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« Reply #2 on: Monday 12 January 09 18:11 GMT (UK) »
May be worth asking on "Travelling people " board??

Referring to this post too -to save duplicate look ups

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Thornhill, Cresswell, Sisson, Harriman, Cripps, Eyre, Walter, Marson, Battison, Holmes, Bailey, Hardman, Fairhurst Noon-mainly in Derbys/Notts-but also Northampton, Oxford, Leics, Lancs-England
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Re: Gypsy connections?
« Reply #3 on: Monday 12 January 09 18:30 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for this Suzy.

I agree that it doesn't look likely from this and I did ask whether the link was through Ro bert - who hales from Cross Guns Yard, Newark! - but was told that it was definitely a Merrin link.

Will post on the other board too.

TreeGirl :)

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« Reply #4 on: Monday 12 January 09 20:28 GMT (UK) »
1841 Charles Merrin is a blacksmith apprentice in same area

and Robert johnson looks like he was a postman for quite a number of years -no sign of travelling!!!


Hope you get help on other board

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Thornhill, Cresswell, Sisson, Harriman, Cripps, Eyre, Walter, Marson, Battison, Holmes, Bailey, Hardman, Fairhurst Noon-mainly in Derbys/Notts-but also Northampton, Oxford, Leics, Lancs-England
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Re: Gypsy connections?
« Reply #5 on: Monday 12 January 09 20:36 GMT (UK) »
Quote from: suzard on Monday 12 January 09 17:54 GMT (UK)

1861
Silthorpe notts
Charles Merrin head M 37 blacksmith emp 1 man Flintham Notts
Sarah wife 32 Elston Notts
Pheby daughter 7 elston Notts
jane daughter 5 Elston Notts
RG9 2483 6 6



Are you able to look up the marriage of Charles and Sarah Merrin at all? Wonder if she's the link? No problem if you can't!

Thank you

TreeGirl :)

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« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 13 January 09 01:14 GMT (UK) »
I did look but couldn't find anything

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« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 13 January 09 01:21 GMT (UK) »
There is an extracted record on IGI
Charles Merrin
c 9 Apr 1824 Flintham Notts
parents William merrin/Sarah

there are a few entries for phoebe -but they are member submitted

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Thornhill, Cresswell, Sisson, Harriman, Cripps, Eyre, Walter, Marson, Battison, Holmes, Bailey, Hardman, Fairhurst Noon-mainly in Derbys/Notts-but also Northampton, Oxford, Leics, Lancs-England
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« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 13 January 09 01:26 GMT (UK) »
Found it -merrin mistranscribed

FreeBMD
marriage
Dec qtr 1852
Newark
Charles merring
Sarah bell
7b 579

Suz
Thornhill, Cresswell, Sisson, Harriman, Cripps, Eyre, Walter, Marson, Battison, Holmes, Bailey, Hardman, Fairhurst Noon-mainly in Derbys/Notts-but also Northampton, Oxford, Leics, Lancs-England
Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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