christie family liberton

[tigger_lass]

ok...here goes

Daniel's address on 1860 MC shows 105 Grassmarket and Elizabeth's address shows 133 Cowgate.

1861 census you found them living at 105 Grassmarket as McGonigals and in 1871 they are living at 133 Cowgate as Christies. In each census they are living with/next to their inlaws.

Tracey

ADDED   lol see what you mean about the cross posts 

It looks like Owen McCartney on the MC too...just checked it again.

[MonicaL]

These two families certainly liked to play around with their names 

The birth registrations for the McCartney children post 1855 on IGI show father as John...

[MonicaL]

John McGonigall died age 67 in 1867 in City Poor House Edinburgh. He is down as a 'widower' (no wife's name) and no parents' names 

[tigger_lass]

Think i've got something!

Found a death for a Bridget McGonigal in 1860, lived at 105 Grassmarket  . Wife of John McGonigal.... ...daughter of James Christie and Helen McFarlane Christie.

Could this be where Daniel gets the Christie from and maybe why he changes his name?? Less "Irish" than McGonigal maybe or are they trying to hide something??? I still dont get why he would list his parents as John Christie and Bridget Forbes Christie....i think this is maybe one we will never know?

[MonicaL]

Clever you Tracey  At last a reference to Christie!

I'm pooped now Tracey, off to bed, night night 

[luckydog]

Thanks to everyone who has replied to my original post . Still trying to make sense of it all by looking at records on SP but the site is continually timing out and I have made my third complaint about the poor service . Anybody else have problems with SP . I have confirmed that my broadband connection and speed are working fine so it is definitely a fault with SP .

[MonicaL]

Since the release of the 1911 and the renewed interest in tracing family I have found most sites operating slower probably to the increased demand (Ancestry and IGI/Family Search to name another two)  Hopefully things will calm down in the weeks to come  Let us know what you find from your searches!

Monica

[CarolineinSydney]

Ladies,

you are talking about my GGG grandfather, Daniel Christie.  Would love to exchange notes with u. Have been wondering myself why they changed names. The name Christie stuck in my line.

Caroline

[luckydog]

Hi Caroline

It's your cousin Mike in Scotland !!. Have lost your email address so have not been touch. If you post a few more messages on this board we will be able to exchange personal messages.

As for the Macgonigal/Christie conundrum I have concluded that the children of John Macgonigal and Bridget Christie were all christened with the surname MacGonigal ( with a number of variants ) . I found the info on the Catholic Parish Records.

Part of the birth records indicates the legitimacy of the children. Any child with the prefix " lawful " is legitimate and with no prefix not legitimate. Only one of our lot is given as lawful and the birth date is in the middle of the range of birth dates so it is difficult to be sure if John and Bridget were legally married. This may explain why over time the children were given or took the surname of their mother. Another reason might be because of anti-Irish feeling in Edinburgh which would restrict work and housing opportunities. Changing the name to a more Scottish one would help.

I have no marriage record for John and Bridget but upcoming online releases of Catholic marriage records may help.

John and Bridget had the following children ( name spellings as given on official records ) :-

John Maconegal born 17th November 1829
Ann McGunigal born 30th January 1834 ( recorded as lawful daughter )
James Macgonegal born 5th May 1836
Sarah McGunigal born 28th January 1839 ( mother recorded as Bridget McGunigal rather than Christie )
Daniel McGunagle born 7th March 1841.

I have much more info which I can give you by email. Have also made a breakthrough with our great-grandfather Francis Hooper

Mike