christie family liberton

[luckydog]

One of my ancestors is John McGonigal Christie born 02 September 1822 in Liberton , his father was John Christie originally from Monimail in Fife and his mother was Henrietta Stewart originally from Galloway . He married Bridget Forbes who was born about 1815 and they had a son Daniel Mcgonigal Christie born 03 April 1841 . I would like to find where and when they were married , when exactly they died , who her parents were , and where she was born . All research on Scotlands People has drawn a blank . Any help , clues or facts verygratefully received .

[KirstyG]

Hi Luckydog

I think you must have a typo in there - you have your man marrying before he was born

I don't know if you are aware that Daniel and Donald are sometimes used as being interchangable (like Jean/Janet/Jane).

There is a record on FreeCEN in the 1841 census in Liberton for a John (55), Hennerita (50) and John (15) at Sunnyside Gardens. Given the rounding of ages in effect for that census there is a good chance that is your family. Unfortunately it doesn't give much more information, just that the males were Ag Labs.

Kirsty

[hume]

Hi Luckydog and Kirsty,

I'm not at all sure John and Bridget did marry. As you have probably discovered yourself, there is no sign of a marriage with these names on either the IGI or SP. Further to that, John is still staying with his parents in Edinburgh by the 1851 census (along with a sister, Janet) - and he still shows as single. Let me know if you need the original entry of this from SP.

However, I think I have found John's death. He died 28th December 1868 at the Royal Infirmary, but his usual residence was 173 Causewayside. His address on the 1861 census was no. 97 Causewayside. His parents are given as John Christie, gardener (dec.) and Helen Christie m.s. Wick [?] (also dec.). Maybe a mistake by Alexander Good, the man who registered the death.

hume

[hume]

Also, can you tell us where you found the 3rd April date for Daniel's birth or baptism? I can't see it under Christie or Forbes on SP.

Any census returns for him too would be useful for finding Bridget's roots.

hume

[luckydog]

Thanks Hume , I am now going to go back and reinvestigate my sources for the info I have. I also have seen the 1851 census , what it shows certainly adds to the confusion . Not sure where the date for Daniels birth came from but I will track it down . To add to the mix there are middle names I forget to mention before . Daniels middle name was McGonigal as was his fathers . There is a possibility I am mixing two families here . There is also a record of Daniels death , 17th April 1906 in the City Poorhouse , Edinburgh .His wife is given as Elizabeth McCartney .

[tigger_lass]

Hi All

There is a marriage for Daniel Christie aged 19, boilermaker to Elizabeth McCartney in 1860 in St Patricks Cowgate, following the form of the Catholic church. Parents listed as John Christie and Bridget Christie ms Forbes. John is described as a gardener. This is probably where Luckydog got Daniel's birth year from. In 1871 this Daniel is now shown as a dealer in old clothes, possibly living next door to his father-in-law.

There seem to be a few John Christie's who are gardeners in Edinburgh at this time. I've found a John marrying a Violet Forbes in 1851. These two had a son Daniel in 1858 and on the 1861 census John is listed as a journeyman gardener....the same occupation as the John Christie that Hume found in 1851 aged 30 who was living with his parents John and Henrietta Christie....


Tracey

Just had a thought....Daniel was married in a Catholic Church so it's possible that his parents were Catholic? Would a Catholic marriage in c 1840 be on SP?

[luckydog]

I have gone through my records and confirmed the links and think I an safely dismiss the John Christie/Violet Forbes connection . Had come across them before and spent ages trying unsuccessfully to link them to my lot . Having the same name , same profession and naming sons Daniel is either very coincidental or there is some as yet hidden link . The Catholic marriage is very intriguing . They were very young when they got married and I have no record of his parents being catholic . St Patricks is in the Cowgate in Edinburgh and was historically the main church for the Irish poor living in Edinburgh . Elizabeths father and possibly mother were born in Ireland . St Patricks also had a reputation for being fairly fundamental in its approach to life . Will contact the Catholic Archives and see if they hold any relevant records although I have a feeling a lot of their records went to the Archive at West Register House in Edinburgh .

[tigger_lass]

Hi

Elizabeth's parents were John McCartney and Helen Barclay on her MC and according to the census record i looked at for Daniel in 1871 he was living next door to them at 133 Cowgate, which i assume was a tenement. Its shows that John and Ellen were born in Ireland as well as their son John but Elizabeth was born in Edinburgh.

John Snr, John Jnr and Daniel Christie were all listed as dealers in old clothes, the same occupation that John Snr claimed on Elizabeth's MC.

Let us know how you get on.

Tracey

[hume]

Just had a thought....Daniel was married in a Catholic Church so it's possible that his parents were Catholic? Would a Catholic marriage in c 1840 be on SP?

No, it wouldn't although I have read there are plans to make RC records (pre-1855) available on SP.

I still can't see Daniel or his mum on the 1841/1851 census ... wondering if she's married someone else and Daniel is listed under his stepfather's name? Mother's remarriages (or changes of name in general) aren't always recorded on certificates.

hume