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Charles and Bill Sadler
« on: Saturday 10 January 09 00:54 GMT (UK) »
I am looking for any information about Charles William Sadler and his brother Walter William Sadler and their service during World War 1.

Charles William, born 1896, joined the Royal Innerskilling 5th Dragoon Guard until it was dismounted then transferred to the Princess Charlotte Regiment in the Rifle Brigaide where he became a Sergent Instructor for Artillery Field Guns. 

Walter William (or Bill as he was known), born 1898, was in the Middlesex Machine Gun Regiment.


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Re: Charles and Bill Sadler
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 10 January 09 13:50 GMT (UK) »
Welcome to Rootschat and to the Armed Forces boards!!  :D :D

First of all though, I'm a little confused by your post!! :o :o 

May I ask where did you get the Regt details from?? Have you confused a number of medal cards bearing the same name??

It all appears somewhat garbled to me I'm afraid!!  ;)

Are they "family oral history"??

5DG did not become  "Inniskilling's" until 1922 when they merged with the 6th (Inniskilling) Dragoon Guards.

It is such that a number of cavalry squadrons of the Regt  became dismounted and fought in the trenches. They became mounted again towards the end of the war and they did not lose their nags fully until they became mechanized with tanks in the 1930s.

You may find this interesting...

http://www.rdgmuseum.org.uk/history.htm

Princess Charlotte of Wales' (Royal Berkshire) Regt were an infantry Regt in their own right as was The Rifle Brigade

https://www.thewardrobe.org.uk/royalberkshire.php

http://www.greenjackets-net.org.uk/rb/branch.htm

It is highly unlikely that he could have been an artillery instructor with either Regt as they were both infantry, and did not have access to the large guns of the artillery. The Royal Artillery themselves dealt with them, esp field guns!

Do not be confused by the "Brigade" bit of the Rifles...It was a "normal" Regt!!

As for the Middlesex Regt...They were an infantry battalion, and in WW1 the machine gunners were transfered to The Machine Gun Regt.

There was a machine gun bn of the Middx in WW2, 1/7th bn "The Die Hard Gunners", some int on whom can be found here...

http://www.freewebs.com/middixgunners/history.htm


If you could be kind enough to post everything you have (places of birth etc) and from whence you gleaned your int, we can help further!!! :D
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Re: Charles and Bill Sadler
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 10 January 09 22:16 GMT (UK) »
I can see one Charles Sadler with Dragoon connections on the medal index cards on TNA:

Charles W Sadler; Dragoon Guards; D7629; Private.
He is then listed with the Essex Yeomanry and Corps of Dragoons with the same number (?)

http://www.rootschat.com/links/0595/

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Leicestershire: Pratt
South Wales: Evans (Neath)
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Re: Charles and Bill Sadler
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 10 January 09 22:21 GMT (UK) »
A possible MIC for Walter W Sadler:

Walter W Sadler; Middlesex Regiment; 3448; Private
                            Middlesex Regiment; 291178; Private
                            Essex Regiment; 203853; Private

http://www.rootschat.com/links/0596/

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Sussex: Satcher (Hamsey) and Gatton (East Grinstead)
Leicestershire: Pratt
South Wales: Evans (Neath)
Poland: Gonet, Deren

Forest Row: War Memorial and Camp WW1
Lewisham War Memorials & WW1 Graves

Census information is Crown Copyright  http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk


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Re: Charles and Bill Sadler
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 10 January 09 22:29 GMT (UK) »
Good digs Phil...

Doesn't explain all the weird and wonderful's in the original post though!!

I thought that there may be some fire beneath the smoke in that the Middx chap may have been carted off to the MGC...Doesn't look like that thus far!!

Oh blimey... :o


We do need some more input from shining light  ::)


Corps of Dragoons appears to be a generic term when enlisting....My grandfathers attestation sheet has it on prior to him being posted to 6DG.

But why Essex Yeomanry first, and no change of number!! Curiouser and curiouser said Alice...
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Re: Charles and Bill Sadler
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 10 January 09 23:09 GMT (UK) »
I can't see the originals on A***y these days Scrimnet, so the repeat numbering may just be a quirk of TNA.

Both of them do look a bit ordinary though.  :-\

I'll be glad when the LLT Divisions pages updated.  :D
Sussex: Satcher (Hamsey) and Gatton (East Grinstead)
Leicestershire: Pratt
South Wales: Evans (Neath)
Poland: Gonet, Deren

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Lewisham War Memorials & WW1 Graves

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Re: Charles and Bill Sadler
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 11 January 09 06:02 GMT (UK) »
Thank you all for your responses to my query.  I am sorry it is confusing but I am going on "oral family traditions" and the older family members are getting a bit vague.  It would be good to get the real story on these brothers.

Charles William Sadler born 11 May 1896 in Hammersmith registered in Fulham, London
Walter William Sadler registered Jun 1898 in Fulham, London

They both survived the war.

I have tried to attach photos of them in their uniforms but they are too large. I will try and get them reduced in size and post them next time.

Thanks for the websites to check out and for your help so far.


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Re: Charles and Bill Sadler
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 11 January 09 06:36 GMT (UK) »
Hi I have attached the compressed the photos of Charles and William Sadler.

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Re: Charles and Bill Sadler
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 11 January 09 10:46 GMT (UK) »
Well....The first pic of Charles is that of a Gunner, and taken quite close to (the 1930s), if not during (the early days of) WW2! He is wearing Patrol Dress now known as No 1s. He has medal ribbons on, and would expect Pip, Squeak and Wilfred The 1915 Star, The British War Medal and the Victory Medal.

So...he WAS Royal Artillery at some point! Also his records are still with the MOD as he was in post 1922!!!  ;D You can apply for his records from them in Glasgow

The second...well...Not a lot here...he is "somewhere out east", ie Salonika, Gallipoli or Mesopotamia...Or even India! He does appear to have a medal ribbon  on, which MAY indicate a gallantry award. He is wearing Khaki Drill uniform. Sadly, there are no tribal distinctions to give ANY clue as to his Regt. He has a 1903 ptn belt on...

Errr...thats about it that can be gleaned, but hopefully it will give you some pointers....

Any more pics??? :D :D :D :D ;D
One more charge and then be dumb,
            When the forts of Folly fall,
        May the victors when they come
            Find my body near the wall.