Connor Marriages

[Jon_ni]

The record for James and Catherine's marriage is from the Cumbria FHS PeopleFinder and states

So partial transcript (no witness names eg perhaps brother Patrick) of the church record from St Mary's, Cleator map https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/CUL/Cleator/StMary or its predecessor dedicated to St. Bega really, as the current building was constructed 1872, its predecessor 1853 becoming part of St Mary's schoolhouse & now the site of the car park.
https://co-curate.ncl.ac.uk/church-of-st-mary-cleator
History & expansion of the Benedictine mission church established 1853 for the Irish Catholic workforce of the local iron ore mines, who previously travelled to Whitehaven each Sunday for Mass - church website. https://www.stmarysandstjosephs.com/history.html
https://cumbriaarchives.org.uk/catalogues-and-guides/guide-church-records/mroman-catholic-church

Thought perhaps you had a paper copy of their civil marriage when asked about a fit with the others. James Connor, Q4 1866 Whitehaven Vol 10b page 904. Would assist in establishing/confirming any matchups now or future & any other siblings civil marriages. I see a John, Patrick & Charles Connor in Drumanaquoile on Griffiths Valuation printed 26 Sep 1863.

[ReJen]

Hello Jon_ni,
Thank you for the links and the tip about the paper copy. Catherine's brother Thomas is also in the 1871 census, maybe also from Wexford, and I'm not making any head way tracking them down, so maybe there's a chance he's on the marriage certificate, and/or James' brother Patrick.

I followed up the Griffiths Valuation and located a cluster of the Connor family together. Its a brilliant tool.
Thanks for your help, rejen

[Jon_ni]

I followed up the Griffiths Valuation and located a cluster of the Connor family together

I'll use Findmypast or Ancestry for a quick search but they only have the text, if you accessed via AskaboutIreland you will have seen the maps too (with historical to modern slider).

Post Griffiths you can follow changes using the Valuation Revisions on PRONI (they are name indexed on Ancestry with PRONI's images but there are errors & omissions for name changes so browsing by townland then the numerical reference on PRONI is better).
https://www.irish-genealogy-toolkit.com/revision-books.html
PRONI - How to Use Online Valuation Revision Books
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wO8_QhA4VVo
Irish Ancestors: Reverse Genealogy 2, Valuation Revision Books
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs9VAWMTemY

[ReJen]

Hello Jon_ni,
Thank you so much for those links, I have been on quite a journey! I was able to piece together the various names and dates to see how this family of Connors fared over the years and now I have a more concrete list of names and dates to try and work with.

It gave me confidence to look at land valuations on my other Irish leads and one of them led to figuring out where one of my families lived, I'm over the moon!

Your assistance has been much appreciated,
Kind regards, regen

[Jon_ni]

Bit late now, I should have tipped on PRONI once get to a page of interest rather than trying to read the small central pane, right click and open in a new window, get full size (like on Ancestry).

Convenient that Drumanaquoile is right at the beginning of VAL/12/B/18/24A (1864-1878) at least https://apps.proni.gov.uk/DCAL_PRONI_Val12b/Large%20JPeg/IRELBEL1D_032/IRELBEL1D_VAL12B-18-24A/IRELBEL1D_VAL12B-18-24A_M_00003.jpg

If change the final digit get previous page with John Connor junior on at map ref 15. The fact that 16 says Pat Connor (Walsh) and 17 Pat Connor (James) is to distinguish them. Also have Pat Connor (Ewd) at 20, who perhaps died 1873 & had a wife Rose and son Edward [named after his grandfather]. Have to turn to Civil deaths to confirm (not all deaths were registered and some changes are due to emigrations). People can have parcels of land in adjoining townlands sometimes one has the house + land and the other just land.
Pat Connor (Edw) at 20 died 1872 aged 68, but Charles Connor at 16 just got too old. Patrick (Walsh) seems to take over 16a, 16b & 17 and have the land revalued 1876 but Charles didn't die till 23 Dec 1878 (aged 80).

The maps on AskaboutIreland are later late 1870's but used as they are neatly printed in red rather than the scrawl of hand annotations on earlier ones. as the numbering tends not to change much in rural areas is fine + Co Down & Co Armagh were the last surveyed.
https://www.johngrenham.com/blog/2018/11/05/more-maps-than-you-can-shake-a-stick-at
The alternative ones & Town plans John mentions are only there for the Republic, PRONI has N.I.'s offline. AskaboutIreland is glitchy sometimes maps don't load for a particular Townland, can always open someone elsewhere and move the view.