Jackson Family (St Quivox Ayr)

[troopermc]

Hi.
Can anyone help me with details for the father and mother of John Jackson 1819 (all his details are below).
I already Know that their names are John Jackson & Mary Whitton (Whitton spelling varies on different Documents). I know they also had children Robert 1815, Hugh 1823, George 1824, Elizabeth 1827 whom married William Murphy / Moffat 08-12-1848.
If someone could help confirm these children it would be helpful.

I cannot find a death cert or Marriage cert for John 1819. My tree has stopped at John & Mary Whitton and any help would be grateful.

John Jackson 1819 Details
1   20th Feb John Jackson is born (St Quivox, Aryshire).

1842 (age 23-24)
2   7th  May John Jackson married Mary Sullivan (Cork, Ireland).

1843 (age 24-25)
3   Son is born John Jackson (Cork, Ireland).

1845 (age26-27)
4   Son is born Robert Jackson (Cork, Ireland).

1847 (age 28-29)
5   Daughter is born Helen Jackson (Cork, Ireland).

1850 (age 30-31)
6   ? Aug Son is born William Jackson (136 Main St, Gorbals, Glasgow).

1851 (age 31-32)
7   30th Mar Census (136 Main St, Gorbals, Glasgow).
1.   (head) John Jackson, Age 31 working at the Bond.
2.   (wife) Mary Sullivan, Age 27.
3.   (son) John Jackson, Age 8 at school.
4.   (son) Robert Jackson, Age 6 at school.
5.   (daughter) Helen Jackson, Age 4.
6.   (son) William Jackson, Age 7m.
7.   (lodger) William Mason, Age 33 working at the Bond.
8.   (lodger) Cathrine Burke, Age 20.

1856 (age 36-37)
8   Jan 14th Son is born Joseph Jackson (27 Charlote St, Calton, Glasgow).
9   Jan 14th John is working as a Button Maker.

1858 (age 38-39)
1   Jul 19th Son is born Mathew Jackson (83 King St, Calton, Glasgow).
2   Jul 19th John is working as a Button Maker.

1861 (age 41-42)
1   Apr 7th Census (133 King St, Rutherglen, Glasgow).
1.   (head) John Jackson, Age 43 Working as a button maker.
2.   (wife) Mary Sullivan, Age 38.
3.   (son) John Jackson, Age18 Working at the foundry.
4.   (son) Robert Jackson, Age 16 Working at the foundry.
5.   (dau) Helen Jackson, Age 14 Working cotton thread duties.
6.   (son) William Jackson, Age 10 at school.
7.   (son) Joseph Jackson, Age 4 at school.
8.   (son) Mathew Jackson, Age 2.
10   Apr 10th Son is born James Jackson (133 King St, Rutherglen, Glasgow).
11   Apr 10th John is working as labourer at the foundry.

1864 (age 44-45)
1.   ? Son is born Cornelius Jackson (?).

1871 (age 51-52)
12   Apr 2nd Census (48 Piccadilly St, Anderston, Glasgow).
1.   (head) John Jackson, Age 53 working as General Labourer.
2.   (wife) Mary Sullivan, Age 47.
3.   (son) Robert Jackson, Age 26 working as ? Ship Builder.
4.   (son) William Jackson, Age 20 Working as General Labourer.
5.   (son) Joseph Jackson, Age 14 Working as Rivet Boy.
6.   (son) Mathew Jackson, Age 12 Working as Rivet Boy.
7.   (son) James Jackson, Age 9 At School.
8.   (son) Cornelius Jackson, Age 7 At School.

1873 (age 53-54)
13   Jul 28th John Living at (21 ? St, Partick, Glasgow).

1877 (age 57-58)
14   Jul 13th John Is living in (66 Clyde St, Anderston, Glasgow) Working as Coppersmith Engine Keeper.

1881 (age 61-62)
15   ? Census (105 Main St Glasgow).
1.   (head) John Jackson, Age 63 Working as Stoker In Ships Factory.
2.   (wife) Mary Sullivan, Age 57.
3.   (son) Cornelius Jackson, Age 17 Working as Apprentice Brass Finisher.
4.   (lodger) John Dougherty, Age 15 Working as Apprentice Sheet Iron Smith

1891 (age 72-73)
16   Apr 5th Census (48 Clyde St Glasgow).
1.   (head) John Jackson, Age 72 Working as Stationary Engine Keeper.
2.   (wife) Mary Sullivan, Age 66.

Thank you
Mark

[cookies4]

Hello Mark,

If you already know that Elizabeth married William Moffat then you are most likely aware that her father John Jackson age 83 was living at the same address in 1851.

From FREECEN it looks likely that it's your John (70), Mary (60) and Elizabeth (14)  living at Orr Street, Glasgow in 1841.

Regards,
Nel

[katiez]

I can help you with your search. Seems we are related through John Jackson. You can e-mail me at (*) for help.

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[Kingseat]

I am a descendant of Cornelius Jackson born 1863.  His son James is my grandfather.  We are researching the family just now and your information about Cornelius has been very helpful.  James still has two daughers living in the Glasgow area, my mother and my aunt.  His son James died about 10 years ago.

It would be great to hear from you and share information :-)

[katiez]

I'm a descendant of John Jackson born 1843, his son Matthew was my great grandfather. Would love to compare notes with you Kingseat.

[Kingseat]

Hi,

I've found a John Jackson baptised in Co Westmeath, Ireland in1771 and a Mary Whitton baptised 1782 in Co Offaly.  Could they be the start of the Jacksons in our tree?

Also, my grandfather James Jackson, son of Cornelius that died in 1926, had a younger brother called Richard Willis Jackson, born 1903.  I also noticed that some of our trees say that Cornelius had a daughter called Elizabeth but she is not always listed.  Was there an Elizabeth?

[katiez]

I guess I'm the stupid one because I still don't see how Mary/Margaert Bryson turned into Mary/Margaret Whitten. I've seen the birth records from St Quivox and how do we know for sure that's the correct John Jackson? There certainly is plenty of them in Ireland, Scotland, and England all married to a Mary/Margaret. According to the 1871 Scottish census John Jackson married to Mary with children Robert, William, Joseph, Matthew, James, and Cornelius was born in Newton on Ayr, not St. Quivox (they're about 3 miles apart.) Am I being too picky about location?

What other records is the name Margaret Whitten mentioned? Perhaps I missing those records and that's why I'm so wrong?

There is a Margaret Bryson born in Irvine, Ayr (11 miles from Newton) in 1795, couldn't that be the Margaret Bryson listed on the death record John Jackson in 1893?

And can anyone explain why on the birth record for Joseph Jackson born in 1856 it says "Robert Robertson inmate present" under "signature, qualifications, and residence of informant, if out of the house in which trhe birth occurred"?

[katiez]

I have the John Jackson death cert from 1893 mentions Margaret Bryson like everyone else seems to have.

The only other records I have are:

1859 Death Cert for Margaret Jackson ms Bryson wife a house painter in the District of Anderton in the Burgh of Glasgow. Son John Jackson was the infromant. Her father is listed as William Brsyon and mother as Margaret "maiden name unknown to informant"  Her age is listed as 39 but I've seen plenty of documents where some people's ages are all over the place so I don't always go by that.

1889 Death Cert for John Jackson widower of Mary Bryce living in the District of Calton in the Burgh of Glasgow. Age is listed as 71. Father is William Jackson and mother is Agnes ms Irvine. Informant is daughter Catherine Baris or Paris.

Am I totally off the mark?  As we've all seen ages and surnames are often different on documents so is this a possibility here? I would love to know what others think.