EVANS Family Revisited

[tazzie]

   Hi again ....

 two good site for Victorian crime...

                           www.vcp.e2bn.org/

   and...

                  www.apps.bedfordshire.gov.uk
   Found more than one of mine in there
    Hi Barbara....

 So he was living with Mary Ann....looks like Elizabeth died 1839 ( Woburn district)

  And for Sally see Sarah in the census.

                Tazzie

[tazzie]

   Its  late and the B "£$%"** links wont work.

  Google Bedford Goal and find the Beds archive site.
  The other one is Victorian crime & punishment.

   Think I need sleep.

 Night all.

                           Tazzie

[bedfordshire boy]

Burial of Elizabeth Evans age 35 at Toddington on 4 Sept 1839


David

[MaccaAddison]

Thanks Barbara, Tazzie and David for all your help with those, I suspect you are use to this - one piece of the jigsaw leads to another. I think I have found Samuel's mum & dad - Joseph Evans and Mary Hart (married 09/01/1797) with Joseph being christened on 22/05/1774 in Marston Moretyne. Not sure how to confirm this - can you get marriage certs for that period or other record to confirm it.

I have since had some contact from some one in New Zealand who had traced a Thomas Evans (Toddington) born about 1806 and wondered whether they were connect to my family - possible brother to Samuel - but cannot see how I can confirm this.

I am spending some time reading the guides you referred me to.

Any suggestions regarding above greatly appreciated

Cheers

Mark (learning more everyday)

Ps is the North Crawley the place in Sussex or is there one in Bedfordshire. If Sussex I wonder what Samuel was doing there.                     

[tazzie]

   Hi Mark....

  More likely the local one and not Sussex and its in Bucks on the edge of the border with Beds....was hoping to check PR's this week but things took over so will go next week.
  Once into parish registers some can be good others well..... strong glasses and nerves of steel.There is a Thomas Evans bapt Toddington in 1807 parents Joseph & Mary Evans and a couple of memebr subs agian for Marston Moretain for a poss marriage....so could be Samuel and Thomas are indeed brothers... others born in Toddington to a Joseph & Mary Evans are ....
  John Evins ( as spelt) 1799
  Samuel                        1802
 Anne                             1804
 Joseph                          1805
 Thomas                         1807
 Benjamin                       1810.

  Parish records may have more details depending on incumbent at the time as some were better at recording details and added more info than was needed..... others just the basics. Maybe just maybe fathers trade is shown for the baptism but the date maybe a little early for that.


               Tazzie
                   

[tazzie]

   Oh .... missed this bit ...
  If you contact person in New Zealand and find out who Thomas married and if it was in England we may just see some details if his father is listed  (well after 1837) or he may be a witness.

            Tazzie

[MaccaAddison]

Hi Tazzie

You are one well resourced indiviual - respect !

This is what they have sent me - with a mystery, but your guide the other day re prison / criminal records may answer it. The was a Thomas Evans that got in alot of trouble with police. The Victorian website you linked show me that.

This is there info

Arthur EVANS b 25 Nov 1868 was son of Mark EVANS (b 1 Sep 1839) and Sarah HOW (b abt 1837) all in Toddington.  Arthur moved to Spalding, Lincs where he married Sarah Jane RATE WISEMAN.
 
Arthur's siblings were Margaret, Florence, Arthur and James
 
Mark's parents are confusing.  I am 99% certain that his parents were Thomas EVANS and Hannah BREED but on Mark's marriage certificate he records his father as William EVANS.  I know this is his marriage cert as I already knew his wife's name was Sarah HOW before i got it.  I lost Mark in 1851 so I wonder if he fell out with his parents or there is some other unsolved mystery that would explain his advising a different name for his father at the time of his marriage....
 
Mark's siblings are Charley, Mary, George, Arthur, Clara and Fred.
 
I found him again in 1861 after he had married Sarah.

So there you go - I wondered whether Thomas was the one with the criminal record and was he related to Samuel. It seems possible.

Cheers buddy

Mark

[bedfordshire boy]

Mark is shown on the IGI, extracted entry so reliable (as opposed to a member submission which is not reliable) as baptised on 25 Dec 1839 at Toddington, parents Thomas and Hannah. In the 1841 census
HO107/5/34/3 folio 14A
Toddington
Thomas Evans 35 ag lab
Hannah Evans 35
William Evans 4
Mark Evans 1
Mary Garner 16 straw plaiter
Joseph Garner 11 ag lab
Fanny Garner 9
Charlotte Garner 7

There's a marriage of Thomas Evans and Hannah Gainer (not an extracted item so needs checking) on 12 July 1835, so Hannah may have been a widow. There's a Charlotte Garner baptised in 1833 in Toddington, parents Joseph and Hannah, so it seems likely Hannah was a widow. But where's the burial of Joseph 1833-35? I can't see it. You need to check the parish register to see what it says about the 1835 marriage.

I can't see Mark in 1851 either

Unless there's another Mark born in Toddington c1839, of whom there's no trace, it seems as though the marriage entry may be in error when it names Marks's father as William. Was Mark's elder brother William a witness, which might have confused the vicar?

David

[bedfordshire boy]

Without further research the best you can say about the 1797 marriage in Marston Moretaine is that it's possibly the couple who subsequently baptised children in Toddington, 8 miles away.

For
- it's the only marriage on the IGI that fits (never a good reason!)
- timing is good as they baptised one child in MM in 1797, with the first baptism in Toddington in 1799
- there's a Joseph Evans age 77 buried in Toddington on 13 Apr 1850 which ties up pretty well with the Joseph Evans who was baptised on 22 May 1774 at MM
- there's a Mary Evans age 48 buried in Toddington on 23 Sep 1822, but no Mary Hart baptised in either Toddington or MM. The nearest seems to be at Wootton in 1774, 3 miles from MM.
- there's no burial of a Joseph or Mary Evans of the right age in MM, nor any further children baptised in MM, so they presumably moved away from MM.

Against
- they may have married and come from outside Beds (but see below re 1841 where who is presumably Joseph, gives his birthplace as Beds)
- there's nothing definite linking the MM couple to the Toddington pair.

Joseph appears to have remarried after the death of Mary in 1822 - there's a marriage on the IGI at Toddington on 23 Jun 1823, Joseph Evans and Jane Worker

In 1841 in Toddington, HO107/5/34/3 folio 12
Joseph Evans 69 ag lab
Jane Evans 60
Charlotte Worker 20 straw plaiter
All born Beds

As a rule of thumb, if you really need someone to be alive in  1851 so you can find their birthplace, you can guarantee they'll die a few months before. And Joseph is no exception! Buried April 1850.

Your best bet is to go through Toddington parish chest to see if there is a Settlement Certificate from MM to Toddington. I've looked at http://blars.adlibsoft.com/ but drawn a blank. The relevant film number is 1597495 which can be ordered from and viewed at your nearest Family History Centre of the LDS - a full list can be found at www.familysearch.org. You might also consider contacting Bedford and Luton Archives and Records Service to see if they have a will for Joseph's putative father, also Joseph, who may died in either 1788 or 1782 in MM

David