German Immigrants - DIEHL

[Rowan Tree]

Hi All,

I'm feeling a little lost with my German ancestors and just don't know how to move forward. I'm hoping someone reading will be able to give me a little help and perhaps point me in the right direction.

I have a Christiana DIEHL and a Maria DIEHL who I believe are sisters (on each woman's marriage certificate they give their father's name as Peter DIEHL).
Christiana is my ancestor and I believe Maria was her sister.

I've found Christiana with the following name spellings:
Christiana or Christina - DIEHL, DAIL or DALE.
Maria appears to have anglicised her Christian name to Mary.

I've found Christiana's place of birth on different censuses as:
Germany or Hesse-Darmstadt or Frankford N K.

Maria was born c. 1821
Christiana was born c. 1830

Maria DIEHL married a Frederick LENZ at Manchester cathedral in 1850.
Christiana DIEHL and her future husband, James LITTLER, appear as witnesses at the marriage.

1851 Census - Bury, Lancashire
Source Citation: Class HO107; Piece 2214; Folio 293; Page 57.
Christiana appears as a lodger with the surname DALE, is unmarried and listed as a musician. Her place of birth is given as Frankford, N K.
Also in the same residence as Christiana is a lodger by the name of Mary Ann DALE with the place of birth Frankford, N K. This is the only place I have seen Mary Ann and do not know if she is related to Christiana. Could she have been a sister or a cousin?

Does anyone know what the "N K" after Frankford might mean?
Also, given on the censuses I've found Christiana's birth place as Hesse-Darmstadt or Frankford does this mean Christina was possibly from Frankfurt?

Any help at all would be greatly appreciated. Best Wishes, Rowan 

[Berlin-Bob]

Hi Rowan,

I haven't seen the census image but as you are mentioning Hesse-Darmstadt, then I'm guessing that it could be an M.

Frankfurt in Hessen is called Frankfurt/Main or Frankfurt/M to distinguish it from other Frankurts in Germany.


Did the two girls come to Britain with their father ??
If say it might be worth looking on the TNA site for possible naturalisation papers.
Topic: RootsChat Topics - Naturalisation and Internment
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,157691.0.html

gruß,
Bob

[Rowan Tree]

Hi Bob and thanks for your quick reply,

Sorry to sound completely dense but I'm not sure I'm following you. What do you mean by "...but as it's Hessen, then I'm guessing that it could be an M..."?

Sorry to not be on the ball. Here are the relevant census source citations:

1851 (Christiana and Mary Ann DALE)
Class HO107; Piece 2214; Folio 293; Page 57.

1881 (Christiana LITTLER nee DIEHL)
Class RG11; Piece 3785; Folio 33; Page 16.

Best Wishes, Kirsty 

[Berlin-Bob]

Hi Kirsty,

I must have edited my reply while you were replying. I think it should be a bit clearer now.
There are at least three Frankfurts in Germany, but Frankfurt/M is in Hesse.

I don't have access to census images, but maybe someone else could post a small part of the image with the birthplace .

Bob

[Rowan Tree]

Hi Bob and thanks again,

I'm completely with you now. I'll have a go at posting a couple of images.

Be back soon, Rowan/Kirsty 

[Rowan Tree]

Here is Christiana DALE and Mary Ann DALE on the 1851 census:

[Rowan Tree]

Here is Christiana LITTLER nee DIEHL on the 1881 census:

[Rowan Tree]

Marriage certificate of Mary/Maria DIEHL and Frederick LENZ.

12/09/1850
Manchester Cathedral
Groom: Frederick LENZ - 25 - Bachelor - Dyer - 43 Carter Street
Bride: Mary/Maria DIEHL - 30 - Spinster - No occ - 43 Charter Street - Father Peter DIEHL, labourer
Witnesses: Christiana DIEHL and James LITTLER

[Peonie]

Hi Kirsty,

there is a Diehl Family (from around Frankfurt)Forum  on Ahnenforum.com. It's in German with some queries/answers in English. It's from 2003 . You could try and post there.

http://www.ahnenforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=25&sid=55023a23172e6e0bee3226a344b039fd

Regards, Peonie


Found somebody who has an Ahnentafel (Family Tree) Diehl Darmstadt/Hessen

http://forum.ahnenforschung.net/showthread.php?t=5896