German Immigrants - DIEHL

[mather99]

yes this is my relation, and i am also thrilled to have found a descendant from the German side of our family.
i would love to find out more such as when they all came to England?, why? and if they all came together.
The information i have got together was all from family search and i am fairly sure they are all correct. if you have any more information on our German relatives please write back
regards
John

[badmama]

Hi Kirsty
In around about way I think our families are connected.

This is my Hoffman family from Germany, also musicians.
Conrad Hoffman born 1775, wife Lucrecia
son Conrad 1811 and a daughter Elisabeth 1819

Elisabeth Hoffman married Casper Lenz age 33 occupation Tailor, in 1852 Manchester Cathedral. Father John Lenz farmer both living 28 Ashley Lane Manchester.
I can't find the death of Casper but in 1861 Elisabeth was living with or married to John Miller in a beer house 32 Nightingale St, Cheetham, Manchester, son Henry was then age 16 but had change his name to Henry Miller and later became Henry Lenz Miller musician.
In 1881 living at Howard St Cheetham, Henry was a Prof. of Music wife Thirza, Lilly 13, Annie 9 and Alfred Henry Long age 3.

I have penciled in Casper's parents were John Lenz and Maria Christina Mihlenhoff, a brother Fredrick Heindrick Lenz born 1816, John Lenz and a sister Louisa Lenz 1820 all the children were born Evengelist, Aplerbeck, Westfalen.

I hope this helps with your family, please if you find any infomation on the Lenz family would you please post it on to me.

Regards
Ann

A very complicated family to follow (for me)

[Rowan Tree]

Yes this is my relation and I am also thrilled to have found a descendant from the German side of our family. I would love to find out more such as when they all came to England, why and if they all came together?
The information I have got together was all from family search and I am fairly sure they are all correct. If you have any more information on our German relatives please write back...

Hi John,

Thanks for your reply and apologies for taking so long to respond.

I'm a little concerned with the results off Family Search. They may prove to be our families but I'm just not sure there is sufficient evidence to say so yet.

I've found the following information through Family Search for Peter DIEHL & Sophia;

Marriage: 28/11/1819 - Evangelisch, Leihgestern, Oberhessen, Hessen
Groom: Peter DIELL (age at marriage: 31), father: Peter DIELL
Bride: Sophia LANGSDORF (age at marriage: 21), father: Kaspar LANGSDORF

B. 19/05/1820
Bapt. 20/05/1820 - Evangelisch, Leihgestern, Oberhessen, Hessen
Anne Marie DIEHL
Father & Mother: Peter DIEHL & Sophia LANGSDORF

B. 11/12/1822
Bapt. 12/12/1822 - Evangelisch, Leihgestern, Oberhessen, Hessen
Death. 16/01/1824
Maria Christina DIEHL
Father & Mother: Peter DIEHL & Sophia LANGSDORF

B. 10/11/1829
Bapt. 15/11/1829 - Evangelisch, Leihgestern, Oberhessen, Hessen
Christina Sophia DIEHL
Father & Mother: Peter DIEHL & Sophia LANGSDORF

B. 23/03/1834
Bapt. 25/03/1834 - Evangelisch, Leihgestern, Oberhessen, Hessen
Sophia DIEHL
Father & Mother: Peter DIEHL & Sophia LANGSDORF

I also found the following details off Family Search for a Philipp Peter DIEHL & Sophia;
B. 21/10/1825
Bapt. 23/10/1825 - Evangelisch, Leihgestern, Oberhessen, Hessen
Johannes DIEHL
Father & Mother: Philipp Peter DIEHL & Sophia LANGSDORF

Now, for the above family to be ours the child born 19/05/1820, Anne Marie DIEHL, would have to be your Mary/Maria and the child born 10/11/1819, Christina Sophia DIEHL, would have to be my Christiana. The child born 11/12/1822, Maria Christina, died so this can't be your Mary/Maria.

It would be interesting to see if we could trace any of the other siblings and see if they are in Lancashire also. What do you think?

Best Wishes, Kirsty 

[Rowan Tree]

...In around about way I think our families are connected... If you find any infomation on the Lenz family would you please pass it on to me....
Regards, Ann

Hi Ann,

Thanks for your interesting post. I've just been having a search through Family Search and found the following;

B. ?
Bapt. 22/11/1818 - Evangelisch, Aplerbeck, Westfalen, Preussen
Casp. Henr. LENZ
Father & Mother: Johann LENZ  & Maria Christ. MOELLENHOFF

The only sibling of the above child that I was able to find is;

B. 29/09/1820
Bapt. 07/10/1820 - Evangelisch, Aplerbeck, Westfalen, Preussen
Luisa Friederica Elisabeth LENZ
Father & Mother: Johannes LENZ  & Maria Christina MOELLENHOFF

I'm not directly related to the LENZ family myself as it is the DIEHL's I am descended from. I do have several LENZ' (by marriage) in my tree though. If you'd like to see my family tree on Ancestry send me a PM with your e-mail address and I'll send you an invite.

Best Wishes, Kirsty 

P.S. Just found the following census.
1851 Census
Source Citation: Class HO107; Piece 2215; Folio 88; Page 25.
Stanley Street, Bury, Lancashire
Lodger - Conrad FENZ - 30 (c. 1821) - Married - Germany - Carpenter
Lodger - Christiana FENZ - 24 (c. 1827) - Married - Germany
Lodger - Peter FENZ - 4 months (c. 1850) - Bury, Lancashire

The original image reads LENZ not FENZ (I have submitted a correction to Ancestry).

[badmama]

Hi Kirsty
I would have loved to see your family tree but I can't send you my email address, as to send a PM you have had to have made 3 post, which I haven't. (I just read and enjoy other people's difficulties with their family trees)
It is advised that we don't put our email address out for all to see so I don't know how to go about getting my email address to you.

Any ideas ?   
Regards

Ann

[Berlin-Bob]

Just keep posting - you're nearly there 

[badmama]

Thanks Berlin-Bob

 

Ann

[Rowan Tree]

Hi Ann,
An Ancestry invite is on its way to you now. Best Wishes, Kirsty 

Hi John,
I've also sent you an invite to my tree using your Ancestry user name. TTFN, Kirsty 

[gortonboy]

I wonder if the Lenz family just Anglicized there name to Miller?  there is a death of a Caspar Miller in 1860  Manchester.