Donaghadee lookups?

[doctorbob]

Hi there, anyone able to do some footwork for me? I am looking for more info on William(1809) and Mary Ann Hawkins(1810) from Donaghadee. Hugo Francis(1842) (known as Hugh and mainly Francis) is my gt grandfather. By 1861 the family had moved to Plymouth, but their children were all born Donaghadee.

Anyone able to check on any Parish records for me. A long shot I know ... but any info would be great.

Many thanks in anticipation!

Cheers,

Rob

[LJReb123]

Rob

Which denomination? Hugh might just appear in Presbyterian records.

David

[BallyaltikilliganG]

Yes its the denomination that will crack the query, i looked
Ros Davies Co Down website gives you
Mr. . Hawkins . Donaghadee An Innkeeper; Death Notice 8 Oct 1795 NS
Mrs. Jane Hawkins . Donaghadee Widow Of John Hawkins; Mother Of John; Carrying On Business At Hillsborough Arms 25 Feb 1796 NS
Michael Hawkins . Donaghadee Of Carney Hill; Leased A House & 2 Acres In 1863 From Nicholas D. Crommelin GV 
Michael Hawkins . Donaghadee Husband Of Ellen Jane Mcclelland; Father Of Irvine Mckee Hawkins B. 16 Nov 1868 & Elizabeth B. 31 Jul 1871 CR
William Hawkins . Donaghadee of Shore St, Donaghadee; keeper of the public baths in 1846 POD

from familysearch.org an incomplete search found
Jessie Hawkins Birth:  1814   Donaghadee, Down, Ireland Marriages: Spouse:  John Dick 
James  Hawkins Parents:
  Father:  Michael Hawkins  Family
Marriages:
  Spouse:  Agnes Brown  Family
  Marriage:  29 AUG 1856   Donaghadee, Down, Ireland
  Wife Age at Marriage:  17

Donaghadee Church of Ireland just to the W of Main Street in Church Lane
Baptisms & burials from 1771 , marriages from 1772; graveyard attached; gravestone inscriptions available UHF Vol 16; email me for a gravestone look-up; also try http://www.bangor.homecall.co.uk/index.htm
References;V7 p46, 47 OSM ; POD;NC; GIC; V16 MIs;GV; POD

1st Presbyterian Church
in the centre of Donaghadee town in High Street next to the Town Hall
Records from 1849; no graveyard
http://www.presbyterianireland.org/congregations/donaghadee1.html
http://www.emeraldancestors.com have a copy of the church booklet of 1925 with a church history on subscription
References; V7 p 47 OSM ; GIPR: GIC ;GV; NC; POD 

2nd Presbyterian Church,
at the northern extremity of Donaghadee town in Warren Road/ Shore Street, on the sea shore
records from 1805; no graveyard; try http://shorestreet.org.uk/
References; V7 p 46, 47 OSM: DR ; NI: GIPR; GIC; MIs;GV; POD 

Methodist Church
in Mount St., Donaghadee town across from Church of Ireland
Graveyard separate; gravestones UHF Vol 17
 References; V7 p 47 OSM; POD; GIC; GV ; POD


using Griffiths layest website in 1863 griffiths.askaboutireland.ie/gv4/gv_
there is Hawkins  Michael  Carney Hill  Down  Donaghadee   

Now back on family search are many more Carney Hill Hawkins
eg Robert Francis Hawkins Pedigree
Birth:  01 MAY 1880   Carneyhill, , Down, Ireland
Parents:
  Father:  Michael Hawkins  Family
  Mother:  Ellen Jane Hawkins McClelland
so you may be able to knit them together, but which church were they going too.
Good luck, Jim

[doctorbob]

Hi, thanks again Jim!

Their children were William(1831), Hugo Francis(1842) and Anna Matilda(1842). I cannot confirm that Hugo and Anna were twins yet given that DOB's can be +/- a year or so in census records!

Their father William was a ships carpenter, son William was in the RN as was Hugo who joined up as Francis. He was a baker/confectioner before and became ship's cook on many illustrious ships, eg Victory 1, Himalaya, Duke of Wellington etc!

They left sometime before 1861 and settled in Plymouth. Perhaps to escape the "troubles" ... not really knowing much about Irish politics at that time, I am guessing they were not Catholic given the names William and Mary. Unless you all know different of course!

I'll check the various links ... many thanks.

If you have any more bright ideas or can even visit the area (!), that would be great.

We are of course, all one big happy family busy chasing genes!

Cheers,

Rob

[GaryOB]

Hello Rob

Any chance of connections to Belfast? After all it is not so far away from Donaghadee!

In the Cliften Street Cemetery Register there are a number of Hawkins burials recorded.

5 Feb 1849 Mary Anne Hawkins (aged 2) of measles.  She was the child of William Hawkins of Lagan Street.  Born in Belfast.

That would make William 1st 37/8 when the child was born or William 2nd would have been 16? when the child was born.  It is interesting to speculate that the child may have been named after William's wife.

14 Sept 1854 John Hawkins (aged 18 months) of measles.  He was the child of William Hawkins of 22 Grace Street.  Born in Belfast

27 Dec 1860 Unbaptised child of William Hawkins, it was a premature birth.  William was living at 22 Great Edward Street.  Born in Belfast.

These three children were all buried in the same grave at Platform D Grave Number 46.

Also

2 Sept 1849 George Hawkens (aged 41) of decline.  Described as a pensioner of 20 Shankhill Road.

Could this be a brother of William?

Gary

[doctorbob]

Hi

There may well be a Belfast connection ... also it's interesting that none of the gravestones on the various sites show any sign of Hawkins (in the Donaghadee area).

I guess it would be useful to find marriage details of William and Mary Ann. I am assuming it was Donaghadee as all the kids were born there .. and the normal thing is to chase a cert around 9 months before the first born! ;-)

I would look for a William (snr) who was a tradesman as he was a ships carpenter, and I would guess that was fairly specialised.

And, where and how did Hugo get into baking and confectionary before becoming a RN ships cook???

William (jnr) was RN ... I am looking for his service record at the National Archives .. I already have Francis's.

Anything else?

Cheers, and thanks so far.

Rob

[GaryOB]

Hi Rob

According the the www.glenravelonline.com "Belfast Timelines" there is the following newspaper story.

"June 1865.  Six men drowned in a yacht accident on Belfast Lough near Greypoint.  The names of the deceased were: Mr Andrew Gilmore, Pakenham Place and his son, a boy under 14 years of age; Mr Richard Allen, Canning Street, assistant engineer to the Harbour Commissioners; Mr Mathers, block and pump maker, Pilot Street; Mr Graham, foreman in Mr Mathers establishment; and a boatman named Hawkins.  Only the bodies of Mr Mathers and Mr Gilmore were found."

No further details but this story might be worth investigating as there are several seemingly important people involved.

Gary

As it happens, in the Register of Shankill Parish Belfast (1745-61) there are several Hawkins recorded which might be worth keeping on file.

29 May 1746 Ann Mitchell baptised, son of William (of Mill St) and Grace nee Hawkins.
25 Dec 1748 James Mitchell baptised, son of William and Grace nee Hawkins.
22 Dec 1750 Jon Mitchell baptised, son of William and Grace nee Hawkins.
13 Jan 1750 Abel Hawkis baptised, son of Barnaby Hawkis and Jane nee McClannon.

[doctorbob]

Thanks Gary,

Both William and Mary Ann are still going strong in 1881. WIlliam has been blind for some years and is listed as a Greenwich Pensioner (ie has a naval pension). Mary is now 70.

The earlier Hawkins may be useful info .. so thanks for that.

Cheers,

Rob

[emcee1]

I ran across your post from last year when I was researching my own Donaghadee connections.  My ancestor is Samuel McLean and I have traced him back to county Down.  He was born March 18, 1841 and I have found that he and his wife leased a house and land from Nicholas Crommelin in 1862. 

Funny thing is that your ancestor leased a house and 2 acres from Nicholas Crommelin too.  Both families lived in Carney Hill and were seemingly neighbors.  On Griffith's Valuation, I searched for Carney Hill residents and found that only 22 residents were listed.  One of them was Samuel McLain and one was Michael Hawkins.

So, I was wondering if you had done any more research around the Carney Hill area in that time period.  Do you have any other details or resources that I might find of interest?

Thanks,
Cory  McLain