Frances and Elizabeth Kane. Cleckheaton area.

[KMFRoberts]

Hi,
This is a very long shot but what the heck!!
My Grandmother Frances Kane was born in 1894 in Liverpool and in the 1901 census was in Test House, part of the workhouse in West Derby with her mother and sister Elizabth born 1897. I am not sure when they left there as I am told the records were destroyed in a fire.
However, the family story goes that an a relative believed to be an Aunt came and took them to live with her in the Cleckheaton area. I hope when we get the 1911 census I will be able to find them. But until then does anyone know anyone who might have heard about the girls coming to live with a family member after 1901? Their father was Francis Robert Kane and no where to be found in 1901 but he was a mariner so could have been at sea or abandoned the family. Their mother was Elizabeth Kane, nee Rivington from the marriage certificate and Grandma's birth certificate. It is possible she either died in the workhouse or came to Yorkshire with them. My Grandma married Grandad John William Thornton at North Bierley in 1921, so she was in the general area. Her father was listed as deceased on her marriage cert, but I don't know where or when. The only remaining family member is an elderly Aunt who says Grandma never talked about her childhood except being brought to Yorkshire and she can't remember any more than that.
Perhaps someone's family might have talked about them, it's always worth asking.
Thanks for your time,
Kate.

[mmm45]

Kate
Have you any dates of marriages...There may be something in the Spenborough Guardian(Cleckheatons local paper) that has names etc in it.I regularly use the archives at Cleck Library so can have a look for you.

Ady

[KMFRoberts]

Hi Ady,
Thank you, that's really kind of you.
I have precious little information. My Grandma Frances Kane was born 2nd Feb 1894 in West Derby Liverpool, she married John William Thornton from County Durham but then living in Pudsey on 21st Jan 1921 at North Bierley. His parents were called Adam and Maria and were also living in Pudsey at the time. Elizabeth Kane never married. Frances and Elizabeth's parents Elizabeth Rivington born c1869 in West Derby, Liverpool and Frances Robert Kane born 1858 in Liverpool married at St Michael's Church, West Derby Liverpool on 4th Jan 1890.
As I said I have no clue which side of the family came and took the girls or what the mysterious Aunt or Uncles name was. I guess my best hope is either somone remembering a story about the 2 little girls being brought into the family or finding them in some documentation such as voters lists etc.
I really appreciate your interest and offer of help.
Thanks again,
Kate.

[mmm45]

Ill check the 1921 Spen Gs Marriages this week some time.You may get lucky on John William Thornton he more than likely would have served in the Armed Forces in WW1 so his record may have survived (Surname T are still to be released on Ancestry) They contain family info also.Fingers crossed the 1911 census throws up new light..i cant wait myself got some Castleford family that needs tracing.
Also i checked Frances Robert Kane against Seamans records but not on there....Thats Royal Navy ruled out but he could have been Merchant??

Ady

[winston]

HI

Since Francis and Elizabeth married the right side of the 1891 census have you found them in it?

Are you aware of a Catherin Kane born circa 1889  Liverpool? I'm only asking as that was another Kane name that apeared as an inmate in the Walton Wrokhouse.


Wendy

[KMFRoberts]

Hi all,
I have never been able to locate the family on the 1891 census. I did see the Catherine Kane and she could well be a sister although my Aunt doesn't remember talk of an Aunt Catherine. But if Grandma never talked about her childhood it is a definite possibility. I think there were more than just the two sisters. She does seem to think there was a Uncle of hers called Charles Kane, but I can't find him either!
One of the other issues I have is that my Grandma and Great Aunt Elizabeth were like total opposites in looks and build. I am not sure that they had the same father. I know Francis was Grandma's dad as I have her birth cert. I am going to see if I can find the reference number and send for Great Aunt Lizzie's too to find out the truth. It is awkward as I don't want to upset my Aunt Gladys who is in her 80's now. So I may have to keep what I find under my hat so to speak. She is interested in her Grandad and Grandma but I don't think she would cope well with family scandals!!
I will see if I can find anything about the merchant navy too.
Thanks to both of you for the help,
All the best,
Kate.

[winston]

HI

In the 1891 they are mistranscribed as Hane and there is a Catherine of right birth age with them but she too has been put down as the daughter of the other couple.  Francis's occupation is shown as  "Wagon Builder"


If you look for them using these details


Francis Hane bn 1859 Liverpool living in Warrington relation is mistranscribed also as he is shown as Father

RG 12 3074
Folio 51
Page 18


providing that you have access that is you should find them in the '91 census



Wendy

[winston]

HI Kate

Forgot to add that in the 1861 census there was a Charles John Kane brother to your Francis Robert Kane maybe that where the name caem from?

Wendy

[KMFRoberts]

Thanks Wendy I will take a look,
Kate.