helping a newbie!!

[Barbara F]

Hello Jill

I have found a John W Taylor aged 1 month in the 1871 in Leeds.  He was born in Bradford.  He is living with his mother Elizabeth and sister Ann M aged 1 with Elizabeth's parents John and Ann Golding.  No sign of his father but Elizabeth is described as married.

I checked for a marriage of an Elizabeth Golding and found this

Marriages Mar 1869   
GOLDING  Elizabeth     Leeds  9b 580   
TAYLOR  William     Leeds  9b 580

I can't find John or Elizabeth in 1881.  Am wondering if the John W you found is the same boy?

Perhaps we should try to find the Harrisons in 1871?

Barbara

[Barbara F]

I think I have found the Elizabeth Taylor and John from the 1871 census in 1891.

The ref is RG12 3691 f 123

There are now a lot more children.  Will have another look fror them in 1881.

Barbara

[juliah7]

Hi Everyone,

I am so surprised and very grateful that my brick wall has sparked such a huge interest.The elizabeth and john Golding that you have mentioned........there is a man on gene`s who has these in his tree.He admits that his John W has vannished in 1901 without a trace but he states that his john is John William and not Willie and also the father William is alive and kicking in the 1901 census so he has ruled out that it is the family that i am looking for.

[jillruss]

Barbara,

I don't have access to the censuses (apart from 1881) so would it be possible for you to post the details of your 1871 Leeds find of a JW with his mother Elizabeth and sister Ann M? I'm particularly interested in their birthplaces and Elizabeth's age.

And ditto for the 1891 find? **Is Elizabeth a widow?

Has anyone managed to find William & Elizabeth Harrison in 1871 in case the JW, nephew, staying with them is the right one?

Juliah, don't give up on the family Barbara has found, just because a chap on Genes has written them off - he could be wrong ( a lot of them are!).

Jill

[Barbara F]

Hi again Jill and Julia

Yes, I will post my findings!  Will have to be this afternoon though.

I found the Taylor/Golding family in 1901 and William is indeed alive - think he is a shoe maker.  John is not with the family in 1901.

This means that if this is the correct family John lied on his marriage certificate - but that is not unusual!

Will also have a look for the Harrisons in 1871.

I have had no luck at all with the Taylor/Golding family in 1881 

Barbara

[Barbara F]

1871
3 East Grove Street, Leeds 
John Golding Head Mar70 Cottage Property Owner b Glouc Chipping Sodbory
Anne M Golding Wife Mar 68 b Yorks Bridlington
Elizabeth Taylor Dau Mar 20  b Essex Barkingside
Anne M Taylor Gr Dau 1  b Yorks Leeds
John Wm Taylor Gr Son 1 month  b Yorks Bradford

Ref RG10  4555 f  155


1891
William’s Yard, Lyndhurst Street, Leeds
William Taylor Head Mar 42 Clogger b Yorks Leeds
Elizabeth Taylor 36  Wife Mar Taloress b Bath
John Taylor Son Single 19 Warehouseman(Cloth) b Yorks Bradford
Henry Taylor Son Single 16 Brickmaker b Yorks Leeds
William Taylor Son Single 14 Brickmaker b Yorks Leeds
Annie Taylor Dau Mar 20 b Yorks Leeds
Sarah Taylor 13 Single Tailoress b Yorks Leeds
Ellen Taylor 12  b Yorks Barnsley
Amelia? Taylor 6 b Yorks Leeds
Emily Taylor 3 b Yorks Leeds
Annie E Wilkinson Gr Dau 1 b Yorks Leeds
John T Wilkinson Lodger Mar 26 Cloth Finisher b Yorks Leeds
 
RG12 3691 f 123

This marriage ties together Ann M from the 1871 with the lodger. Why Annie is shown as married but with the surname Taylor on the 1891 I have no idea!

Marriages Mar 1887
TAYLOR  Annie Maria     Leeds  9b 549   
WILKINSON  John Thomas     Leeds  9b 549   

1901 on its way.

Barbara

[Barbara F]

1901
58 Windsor Street, Leeds
William Taylor Head Mar 53 Sole Cutter Boot Trade
Elizabeth Taylor Wife Mar 49 
Annie Taylor Dau Mar 32 Charwoman Domestic Worker
Amelia Taylor Dau 16  ?? Boot Trade
Emily Taylor Dau 14 
Joseph Taylor Son 9 
Annie E Wilkinson Gr Dau 12 
William Taylor Son  22  Brickmaker

All born Leeds.

Ref  RG13  4224 f 62

Barbara

[jillruss]

Thanks, Barbara.

What do you think?

Why would Juliah's JW say his father was deceased when he married in 1899 when, in 1901, he's clearly alive and living at home? I suppose it could have been an error by the registrar, but not likely.

Also, this John is a warehouseman in 1891 - Juliah's JW was a general labourer by the time of his marriage 8 years later - possible, but again not likely.

All in all, I think perhaps I've maligned the chap from Genes who discounted this family as Juliah's - I think he might be right!

Juliah, it's beginning to look as if you're going to have to order those 3 certificates and hope one (and only one!) of them has a father named William.

With his parents' names it should be easier to find him on the earlier censuses. Hopefully!!

(If you decide to go for the certificates, you will let us know how you get on, won't you?)

Jill

[Barbara F]

This is the Harrison couple in 1871.  Looks as though they doctored their ages in 1881!

1871
27 Southampton Street, Bradford
Elizabeth Eagles Head Wid 44 Dressmaker b Leicestershire Wigston
William Harrison Lodger Unm 26 Joiner b Yorks Sowerby

RG10  4459 f 74

If we could find the Taylor family in 1881 I would be much happier!

Barbara