Kate Eade - continued

[Daisy Loo]

aHa...thats the confusion setting in again.  thanks Jap for putting that straight

[dennisrichards49]

Hi Everyone
This is my first time on RootsChat I just this minute registered.
I received an email late last night (off-line from this forum) from a colleague of yours. JAP
She thought I might be interested in this thread.  She was right!! Following is my reply to her last night.  Note I have still not absorbed the thread details yet, but I think I get the drift.

"Hi  JAP
Wow that seems extremely interesting . I have written a "book" on The Hawkins family (on a CD). I would have over 500 descendants on my list, but Mary HAWKINS was a bit of a blocker for me.  Here is what I have to date:

Mary Hawkins c. 28/1/1851 (father Josiah mother Phoebe CHEATER [my ggparents]) with 2 sets of children;
The first lot are born in Pulborough, no recorded father: Charles HAWKINS b. 22 Dec 1873 [I have birth cert} & Ellen [Nelly] HAWKINS b. Mar quart 1875;
The 2nd lot are from marriage on 27 Oct 1875 [I have marr cert] to James ROE (ROWE) : Horace ROE b. Pulborough in  Dec 1876 & Alice ROE b. Byworth in Mar 1880. There is possibly another child, but I have not followed up on this yet { Births Mar 1879 Roe Arthur Petworth  2b 347; Death Mar 1879 Petworth 2b 225}


In 1881 it gets interesting: James ROE (ROW) is a 41-year-old married labourer boarding in Byworth with Jane Moore & family, while his wife Mary is a housekeeper! for Caesar Augustus EADE in Fittleworth (her home town) and lives there with all 4 children.  This is where I came to an end with Mary HAWKINS and her children, although I think found her 15-year-old son Horace [ROE but called HAWKINS] in Aldershot in 1891:
In 1891 living at Aldershot Stubbs, "The Alms Inn", Aldershot, Hampshire (RG12/564 ED7 F77 P45-46 SN302): John Saunders Head 35 b. Oxted, Surrey Ag Lab; Caroline F Wife 24 b. Limpsfield, Surrey; Walter H son 8; Sarah E dau 7; James son 2; Arthur P son 1; Horace Hawkins 15 Servant Domestic Gardener b. Pulborough.

As for James ROE, I found him in 1891 living at Glatting Farm, Sutton (RG12/832 Ed6 F78 P4 SN19)
James Rowe Boarder Marr 57 Stockman b. Sea Bognor, Sussex@ John Mills & family, Farmer.

Perhaps this is his death record also: Deaths Sep 1895 Rowe James 62 Petworth 2b 203

I have quickly dashed off this e-mail. I'll read the posts on RootsChat in more detail over the next few days- perhaps I can register on it and join the discussion.

Thanks for getting in contact.  Needless to say I would be happy to send a gedcom file with more info to anyone who is interested in this line.
Regards
from Cockatoo, Victoria, Australia"

When I've analyse all the posts I'll be in a better position to give more comments if I can
Regards
dennisrichards49

[Billycourty]

Thankyou Dennis for joining us here.

Mary Hawkins is my Great Great Grandmother (proberly) on both my Father's Father's Side and my Father's Mother's side.

Thanks to Daisy i am now in contact with The grandson of Kenedy O'brian Morris (the famous) who is still alive and the grandson (dont want to say his name unless he wants it known) is going to go see him tomorrow and swap cookies for info .

now he did tell me this though:

Kate eade's mum was Mary Hawkins, born in 1853... she was married to Ceasar Augustus Eade

Born 1856, dies 1885

He was an aggricultural labourer... oh

Mary Hawkins from Pulborough, Sussex

but he said:

Quote:
"I did see a line re a Kennedy Morris... That's my Grandad
(Actually, it's Kenedy O'Brien Morris and he was named after the 2 Doctors who delivered him - Dr Kennedy and Dr O'Brien)."

Could the doctor be Millie's father?

Another thing was he thought he had seen that photo of Kate before.

This person is A great grandson of Kate Eade like i am her great granddaughter.

Jaymee

[Daisy Loo]

Jaymee, I am delighted for you!  That's great news that you are meeting up with the grandson!  How exciting!

Good luck...and let us know the outcome, and the end of the story...

I'm quite sad really...missing the thread

[Billycourty]

i am not meeting with the grandson, he is going to visit his grandfather millie's son, but i have "meet up" with the grandson via email if thats what u mean.

Added to say:

SOrry that post sounded a little blunt daisy , it just came out that way because i was hurrying and Rootschat is running so slow!


Jay

[dennisrichards49]

Hi jaymee
Mary Hawkins younger brother was Harry Hawkins (b. 25 May 1871 in Fittleworth).  He is my great grandfather. I have his picture. Another sibling was Julia Fanny Hawkins b. 31 Mar 1867.  These last 2 both ended up in Carmarthenshire & Glamorganshire in Wales & I can follow them almost completely to the present day. I can share this withyou.
Mary & Harry's father Josiah HAWKINS (your 3GGF & my 2GGF) was a 60-year-old widowed chimney sweep when he died when he fell from a cart (drunk?) on 30 June 1889 in Pulborough.  Their mother Phoebe (CHEATER) died at the age of 49 from Enteric fever on 8 Feb 1873 (along with their daughter Amelia age 9 on 28 Feb 1873).
I have certificates for all of these events.
We must stay in touch so that I can supplement my Mary Hawkins branch downwards & you can add to it upwards.
Some other points:

• It has to be a record that Mary HAWKINS had 5 partners: un-named, ROE, EADES, WHITE & BENNETT. I can't quite work out why in 1901 when Mary was with her final? spouse Wm. BENNETT, Kate was correctly referred to as a Step-dau (father Caesar EADE) whilst Daisy & Ada were not (after all wasn't their father Thomas WHITE?)
• Mary's son Horace ROE was referred to on 1891 census as Horace HAWKINS.  He was then 15 years old and working at Aldershot Stubbs, "The Alms Inn", Aldershot.  This is only a mile or so from Ash, Surrey where his half sisters Kate, Daisy & Ada were born.  Perhaps for a short time Kate & her 9 years older brother Horace lived under the same roof and used the surname EADE as their mother did. Then, maybe, in later years Kate mistakenly thought that this older half brother "Horace Eade" was the name of her father

Clearly there is still lots more to know and I want to stay in touch with you and others on this list.
So for now its 12:40 am where I live so Goodnight (or Good morning)
Dennis

[Aniseed]

What an amazing thread...this is what I love so much about Roots Chat. A fantastic mystery sorted out, and connections to other family members made. Perfect! Many thanks to all concerned for a very entertaining 30 minutes' read. In awe of the work that went into it. 

You certainly have a fascinating great great grandmother, Jay. I like the soubriquet The Black Widow! Still, poor woman, if she didn't do them in, that means she lost 5 loves during what must have been a very hard life.

By the way, could William Bennett, the lodger in 1891, have been 46 instead of 76? That would agree with him being 57 ten years later in the 1901 census. 4 and 7 both have that sort of / line in them, and they could perhaps be mistaken for each other.

[Daisy Loo]

That's a good point Aniseed...I have attached the bit from the census, and included other ages as well, to show, how they all seemed to have been "marked off"...William Bennett's age is the last clear one at the bottom   What does anyone else think? What is the age of the man listed as labourer?  (Can harldy be 76 surely?)

I am dead jealous of Jaymee...what an amazing discovery about her family...and still people around to tell her more.

[Aniseed]

It does look like a 7, but maybe it was the enumerator's mistake when he copied the information (if that's how it works).  It's a wonderful story, the sort of thing that would make an amazing film. I'm just glad I understood it by the end, because at the beginning I was well and truly lost!