Where is/was SPRING HILL Chipping Campden? COMPLETED

[suecee]

I have a couple of photographs of Dingle Lodge, Spring Hill which looks like a lodge at the entrance to some larger house.
I know that  John & Priscilla Miles (my 2xgt-grandparents) were living in Dingle Lodge, Chipping Campden in the 1901 census.
The enumerator's notes for district 2 of Chipping Campden actually lists "Dingle Lodge (new)" but I have been unable to find any other reference to either Dingle Lodge or Spring Hill in Chipping Campden.

Does anyone know the whereabouts of Spring Hill?

[ChasH]

I searched for "Spring Hill Bristol" on Google Earth and hey presto, there it was as viewed from 6000 feet but in Chip'Cam' no joy but I suppose the Old Maps site might show something on a 100 year old map.


Chas

[Arranroots]

Hi Suecee

An internet search brings up a few references (which seem to be in Blockley)

http://members.shaw.ca/panthers5/KeyteBlockley.html

Andy and John Malin were great friends when they attended the Chipping Campden Grammar School. He being a cousin came to stay with John’s parents at Dingle Lodge, Springhill. The now demolished Lodge at the foot of Kennel Hill. John spent similar holidays at Andy’s home in Station Road, Chipping Campden.

Another part of the same site notes that the Lodge was demolished in the 1960s.

I hope that is helpful?

Kind regards, Arranroots 

[suecee]

Hi

Thanks for your replies guys.

I have researched the Blockley and Chipping Campden parts of the Cotswold site and have drawn a blank. I did find the 1901 census for Blockley which said that Dingle Lodge was demolished in 1960 but as its occupants were William Brook (retired jockey) and family it is obviously not the same Dingle Lodge that John and Priscilla Miles were living in 1901 at Chipping Campden.
I also looked at the original census image for the Blockley one and it is actually listed as Lower Dingles Lodge which is not the same thing at all.

I have looked on the old-maps site at maps of 1890, 1903 and 1924 and can find no trace of Dingle Lodge or a Spring Hill - lots of springs marked all over the place but no Spring Hill. I was hoping there might be someone with local knowledge who might know something.

Just found a reference to Spring Hill Horse Trials which gives a Spring Hill 8 miles out of Moreton in Marsh on the A44 towards Boadway, follow signs to Broadway Tower and the little road brings you out opposite the drive to Spring Hill Estate.

Haven't got time to follow that one up now (daughter requires computer) but that looks very promising as it looks like it comes out to the west of Chipping Campden. 
 

Sue

[Arranroots]

I guess there might be more than one but the site I quoted gives the place as Dingle Lodge, Spring Hill - seems unlikely that the address would match so precisely.

Having said that, plenty of springs in the area!

As you say, Spring Hill is clearly marked on the modern OS map at the top of Fish Hill, to the south of the A44.  Will be up there on Monday if you need anything?

[suecee]

Hi Arranroots

I have been checking back in the censuses and Dingle Lodge and Lower Dingles Lodge are definitely two different places. William Brooks lived at the latter in 1901. He was a jockey/groom who in previous censuses lived in the neighbouring Jockey Stables. In 1891 it was listed as "Spring Hill R'd, Dingles Lodge", in 1881 I think it may be what is listed as "Spring Hill Jockey Stables Lodge" and in 1871 possibly just "Spring Hill Lodge"
This must be the one demolished in 1960.

My Dingle Lodge is in District 2, Chipping Campden and Lower Dingles Lodge is in District 7, Blockley. The two districts are bordering but distinct. I am guessing that the new Dingle Lodge caused the other to be referred to as Lower Dingles Lodge to avoid confusion.

I looked at a modern map and found many of the farms and several of the cottages mentioned on the 1901 census (save Dingle Lodge) but still can't find anything on the old maps.

From it's position on the enumerator's list (between Happy Lands and Campden Ashes) it is quite likely to be at the entrance to the Estate.
Looking on the Google satellite map, there are a couple of buildings at the entrance to the Spring Hill Estate at the bottom of Fish Hill but I can't tell whether either is Dingle Lodge.

Should you be passing by the Estate entrance perhaps you could look for the building. I could send you a photo if that would be helpful.

Regards
Sue

[Arranroots]

Hi again Sue

Yes, I realised that there are two buildings (and two sets of occupants) but I am inclined to think that they both belonged to the same estate - would you agree?

Which estate though?  Is it the one represented as Spring Hill Farm on modern maps (in which case it is at the top of Fish Hill)?

How about contacting these folk: http://www.chippingcampdenhistory.org.uk/

Is this the same place?  Part of Northwick Park and note lodges plural!

http://www.northwickparkpolishdpcamp.co.uk/language.htm

An interesting website in itself - do you recognise any of the buildings

[suecee]

Hi Arranroots

I have spent hours piecing a map together using the little bits the OS site provides - and eventually I have a map that covers the area.
Armed with that I was able to properly follow the directions given for the horse trials at the Spring Hill Estate and realised it takes you to Spring Hill House. I then switched to Google satellite maps and started to search from the beginning of the driveway for any sign of a building - nothing. Then I followed the drive up to the house and then around the back where the dotted lines of the OS map go into the Dingles - and lo and behold on full zoom there is a house which pretty well exactly matches my photos. Twin Gables, two chimneys and a wall running behind with woodland at the back. (Grid ref. approx SP133338)

I will contact the Campden history folk and see what they can tell me about Spring Hill House as I would love to go and find this place and it might help to know what Dingle Lodge is now called.

Thanks very much for your help.

Regards
Sue

[Arranroots]

That sounds very promising, Sue!

Let us know how you get on - it's due to snow, so I might take a rain-check (snow check?) on exploring on your behalf but maybe in better weather ...