Bristol Lookup Please...Wertheim Family

[Matt R]

Hi guys,

Firstly can I wish you all on rootschat a Happy New Year, hope this year brings more great discoveries for everyone

I am wondering whether or not it would be ok for somebody who has some free time, to find a few pieces of information for me, in the Bristol area.

I am looking to see if I can obtain any information on a family by the name of WERTHEIM/VERTINE/WERTHIME. I have a Moses Wertheim born about 1806 in Poland, he married Caroline Westcott on January 3 1837 in Bedminster, I believe. I have all the census for the family, and their children, including a Samuel, who was imprisoned for repeat theft in 1866.

I am trying to find out if the Record Office has any information on this family, maybe a bit on Moses if it is there.

I know that Moses was Jewish (but do not know if he practised). He died in Bedminster in 1880, and his wife Caroline died in 1884. I would be very grateful if some good person could find out where these two guys are buried. They are my 4x great grandparents

Thanks, and Happy New Year again,

Regards,
Reaybo!

[westdav]

Hi

I've only just come across this. I have a Barry Wertheim who married Lilly Elizabeth Osborne on 7th July 1878 (she is a cousin on my mother's mother's side). His father is given as Moses and he seems to be the brother of Samuel, born c. 1841, who moved to Ebbw Vale sometime before 1881 and was a steelworker. I assume that it is his son Windsor who was killed in the First World War.

Barry had a son Barry William M Wertheim who was born in Keynsham in 1879. He was, like his father, a bootmaker. He seemed to have attempted to emigrate to the US in 1900 but for some reason was refused entry (his name is scored out in the ship's passenger list and in the immigration records). In 1911 he is back in Bristol and living with a 'housekeeper' but no sign of his wife of 14 years or their child, nor have I yet found a marriage.

Wynne Weston-Davies
 

[Hettypeg]

Hi,
I've recently come across this whilst searching for more information about Barry Wertheim who was married to Florence Britton (my great grandmothers sister). I know the post is quite old and you may already have this information so apologies if you do!

They did have a child Gilbert Britton born 9th July 1898.

I'm not sure why he didn't take his father's name however from the 1901 census he was living with his mother, aunts, uncles and grandparents so it seems likely the marriage was pretty much over. Also with Barry's attempt to leave the country this would seem to verify this! And more obviously their divorce in 1915.

Gilbert died serving in the first world war 14 July 1918 a few days after his 20th birthday of phneumonia, he was a stoker on the ship (i've yet to find out which one). He's buried in Partouskays Cemetery Ritaiskaya Street, Vladivostock, Russia.

I have 2 pics of Gilbert one at 5 years old, the other in his naval uniform. I also have a pic of his grandmothers headstone from a church in Kingswood Bristol (which is now inaccessable) that also commemorates Gilbert. I can't seem to post these here so please PM me if you'd like a copy.

[Matt R]

Hi Wynne, Hetty,

Great to hear from you!

I did managed to find Gilbert in Russia, and sadly losing his life there. I have a copy of the divorce of his parents that states he was born before they married.

After marriage, his father Barry had an affair with a Rose Trubody. Barry fathered children with her whilst married to Florence and he was also violent towards her; an all-round deplorable character. I think these children died in infancy though. Barry had several diseases associated with his infidelities and when he died in 1938 in London, he was being cared for by a nurse who specialised in those sorts of detriments.

I'd be interested to see the photos you have of Gilbert, Hetty. You must post three times on this forum before you can send me anything personally, in order to prevent any spammers from bombarding chatters with mail.

Wynne,you are correct about Windsor Virtine being Barry Snr's nephew. Barry Snr (Baruch) was born 1857 in Bristol and his only son and child Barry was born 1878.

Apologies it has taken me so long to respond to this thread. I appear to have looked over the notification.

Thank you both for getting in touch,

Reayboy.