Tavistock CROSSMAN

[rlsb]

Dear CottonHistorian

We have since spoken.

My mother was Annie Patricia Dunne.

I have GRO duplicates of the birth certificate and of the certificate of the death of the reported father Sgt William A Dunne. Sgt Dunne apparently died in the same hospital in the previous month.

Both certificates were generated in October by the adjutant of the 1st (Royal) Dragoons, then stationed in Muttra about 180 miles away.

Thank you for your prompt interest.

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Hi There are good parish records (copies of originals on microfiche) for all the parishes around Tavistock at Tavistock Library... much more reliable than IGI - I don't know whether the library has a list of people who would do look-ups. 

The Jago family originate in Calstock parish going back to the 1500s - I am a volunteer at Calstock archive currently researching families dating back to 1500s (through wills and land transactions to confirm relationships - Jago is one of the families I have been researching - but I haven't done the links from 1700s into 1800s yet (focusing on 1500s, 1600s and early 1700s at present)

[Gossypium]

Thanks, I will investigate Tavistock Library.  I have sent you a PM mentioning some contacts who may be helpful to you with your research as we cannot post email addresses here.

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Hi there i have an aunt Beaty Crossman (in her 80's) whos son Bill Crossman (in his 60's) lives with her in Horrabridge, i know some of my fathers family came from Tavistock but i have little info on my family and would love to find out more?? Can anyone help?? my fathers name is Anthony Dudley Crossman and his Father ... my grandad was Dudley ( Charles??) Crossman who married Joan Price and moved to Highley Nr Bridgnorth in Shropshire when my father was very young???

[Gossypium]

These appear to be your Crossman ancestors:

Edwin Crossman was born in 1773 Buckland Monachorum DEV per 1861 census.

MARRIAGE: Civil Regs, registered Jun 1855 at Tavistock DEV vol 5b page 621 as Edwin Crossman and Caroline Holcombe

BIRTH: per Civil Regs registered Jun 1855 at Tavistock DEV vol 5b page 308 as William Philips Crossman (born in Sampford Spiney per 1911 census)

MARRIAGE: Civil Regs, registered Jun 1879 at Newton A. DEV vol 5b page 277 as William Phillips Crossman and Peggy Veale

BIRTH: per Civil Regs registered Sep 1884 at Tavistock DEV vol 5b page 379 as Edwin John R Crossman (born in Buckland Monachorum DEV per 1911 census when he was living with his parents and siblings at Station Hill, Horrabridge DEV))

MARRIAGE: Civil Regs, registered Dec 1912 at Tavistock DEV vol 5b page 847 as Edwin J R Crossman and May Trefry

BIRTH: per Civil Regs registered Jun 1913 at Tavistock DEV vol 5b page 619 as William J Crossman mother Trefry
BIRTH: per Civil Regs registered Dec 1914 at Tavistock DEV vol 5b page 588 as Leta M Crossman mother Trefry
BIRTH: per Civil Regs registered Sep 1916 at Tavistock DEV vol 5b page 554 as Dudley C Crossman mother Trefry

MARRIAGE: Civil Regs, registered Sep 1943 at Bridgnorth SAL vol 6a page 1579 as Dudley C Crossman and Margaret J Price

BIRTH: per Civil Regs registered Mar 1946 at Plymouth DEV vol 5b page 361 as Pamela Crossman mother Price
BIRTH: per Civil Regs registered Mar 1947 at Tavistock DEV vol 7a page 1110 as Peter C Crossman mother Price
BIRTH: per Civil Regs registered Mar 1949 at Bridgnorth SAL vol 9a page 138 as Anthony D Crossman mother Price
BIRTH: per Civil Regs registered Dec 1951 at Bridgnorth SAL vol 9a page 113 as Beverley L Crossman mother Price

[pennybarn]

  My word Nick!! that was the quickest amount of info i have ever recieved!! my father couldn't even tell me half of that! i am very greatfull thank you very much!!

[pennybarn]

Hi again Nick,
 Sorry if i may be sounding dumb? but where it says that Edwin John R Crossman was living at the same address with siblings and parents does that mean there were other children but they were not registered?? im sorry but i am new to all of this??
 Kind regards Fay.

[Hemmum]

Hi Fay
Welcome to the Crossman family! Nick has obviously been very helpful and generous giving information and time to help you on your way. I may be able to help further but please check this out for youself and I would appreciate any comments, something may be useful.

I do not think that Edwin Crossman was born ‘1773 Buckland Monachorum DEV per 1861 census’ (if so Edwin would have married Caroline in 1855 aged 82!)  I think you may find that Edwin was;

Edwin Crossman baptised 1823 08 31 Buckland Monachorum (DFHS CD) f=William, sawyer & Elizabeth, from Horrabridge, Parish of Whitchurch
Luckily for you, Edwin is a very unusual name in the Crossman family and his 1823 baptism is the first Edwin I have listed.

It is interesting that you your aunt Beaty is still living in Horrabridge with her son Bill (short for William I assume - Williams have been the bain of my life!)

There are so many William Crossmans in the Tavistock area and I have found them very difficult to untangle but I think Edwins parents were probably;
William Crossman 1771-1851 Tavistock (as 1851 Census and burial records) who married 1808 03 19 Buckland Monachorum to Elizabeth Phillips 1786 (?) aka Betsy from Meeth Devon.

Elizabeth PHILLIPS was bapt 16 July 1786 d of William and Mary Phillips. William PHILLIPS married Mary GODFREY in 1783 as Meeth OPC

It is possible that William Crossman 1st married in 1792 to Grace WISE and had two children bapt Tavistock s=Thomas, November 1792  f=William sawyer m=Grace and
William 1795 Non conformist bapt Devon f=William m=Grace.
Grace Crossman was probably buried Princetown 28 Feb 1814 (aged 48 born abt 1766 therefore older than William but I have been unable to find her baptism)

William Crossman ?2nd marriage in 1808 to Elizabeth would have him aged 37
William Crossman also had a non conformist burial. William (Carpenter) Burial 1 Jul 1851 Sampford Spiney SS 10156 aged 81 (born 1770) living Huckworthy Bridge.

William could have been the son of John and Joan Crossman bapt Tavistock 1772 04 07 or
William son of William Crossman and Ann Rubby bapt Tavistock 1773 10 26.
Both are likely but William and Ann’s Crossman other children lived in the Horrabridge area their sons were Carpenters and some also non-conformist. You may even find that your Edwin was the cousin to William Smith Crossman born 22 Feb 1854 Horrabridge a stone mason who became the first Lord Mayor of Cardiff and was knighted 1907 by King Edward VII (a very interesting story!)

From the census Edwin was born 1824 Horrabridge, Caroline born 1822 Cullompton Devon
Like many of the Crossman Edwin was a Tin & Copper miner, many of the Crossmans were miners and emigrated worldwide, many are now in Australia

Edwin Crossman’s married 1844 to 1st wife was Maria Peny / Perry 1822 Maria died 1847 aged 25 Edwin CROPMAN married 1844 Jul-Sep vol 9 pg 525 Tavistock
From census children of Edwin and Maria
Betsey 1845 Sampford Spiney
Mary 1846 Walkhampton

MARRIAGE: Civil Regs, registered Jun 1855 at Tavistock DEV vol 5b page 621 as Edwin Crossman and Caroline Holcombe
Children of Edwin and Caroline
William Phillips 1856 Sampford Spiney
Edwin 1857 Sampford Spiney buried Buckland Monachorum 1873 08 06 aged 16 parents Edwin & Caroline living Horrabridge
Celia 1859 buried Sampford Spiney 1863 04 13 aged 4 living Horrabridge
Thomas 1861 Horrabridge / Sampford Spiney
Celia 1864 Horrabridge / Sampford Spiney
John 1867 Horrabridge / Sampford Spiney

William Phillips Crossman married in 1879 Newton Abbott Apr-Jun 5b page 277 to Peggy Veale 1854 St Justs Cornwall
(In 1881 William was a Tin and Copper miner, perhaps he had gone to Cornish mines to work and found his wife? The tradition of using the surnames of mothers and grand mothers to children as given middle names can be helpful in linking families.)

1911 census William Philips Crossman married 32 years 7 children born alive 5 still living, residing Station Road Horrabridge
Children of William and Peggy (from census)
1880 Maria Everil Crossman Horrabridge died 1978 North Cheam UK
1882 Kate Veale Crossman Buckland M
1884 Edwin John Rutley Crossman Horrabridge marr 1912 May Trefry born 1886 Mary Tavy
1885 John R Crossman Buckland M (no civil reg ? was he Edwin John Rutley)
1886 Eliza Margaret Crossman Buckland M
1892 Leta Ann Crossman Buckland M

MARRIAGE: Civil Regs, registered Dec 1912 at Tavistock DEV vol 5b page 847 as Edwin J R Crossman and May Trefry
Children of Edwin John Rutley Crossman and May Trefy
+Q4 1918 Tavistock Hilary Crossman m=Trefry
Regards

[Gossypium]

Hi Fay

Happy New Year to you and to everyone else who has posted messages in this topic.

Hemmum is correct that Edwin Crossman was not born in 1773 and his baptism is found also at www.FindMyPast.co.uk which is quite a good source of baptisms in Devon:

Edwin Crossman chr 31 Aug 1823 at Buckland Monachorum s/o William Crossman, a sawyer, and Elizabeth of Horrabridge, Parish of Whitchuch DEV

His age 38 as recorded in the 1861 census was transcribed incorrectly in www.FindMyPast.co.uk so I have asked them to correct it.

1861 Census of dis 12d Buckland Monachorum 1 Tavistock DEV taken on 7 Apr 1861
Address:  Coles Tenement Hay Town Sampford Spiney DEV
Edwin CROSSMAN head mar M age 38 copper miner b 1822/3 Buckland Monachorum DEV
Caroline CROSSMAN wife mar F age 31 b 1829/30 Culumton DEV
Betsey CROSSMAN dau unmar F age 16 work to woolen factory b 1844/5 Sampford Spiney DEV
Mary CROSSMAN dau unmar F age 15 work to woolen factory b 1845/6 Walkhampton DEV
William CROSSMAN son M age 5 scholar b 1855/6 Sampford Spiney DEV
Edwin CROSSMAN son M age 4 b 1856/7 Sampford Spiney DEV
Celia CROSSMAN dau F age 2 b 1858/9 Sampford Spiney DEV
Thomas CROSSMAN son M age 0 (6m) b 1860 Sampford Spiney DEV

1871 Census of dis 5 Buckland Monachorum Tavistock DEV taken on 2 Apr 1871
Address:  Old Wheal Franco Cottage Buckland Monachorum DEV
Edwin CROSMAN head mar M age 47 miner b 1823/4 Buckland Monachorum DEV
Caroline CROSMAN wife mar F age 49 miners wife b 1821/2 Cullompton DEV
Edwin CROSMAN son M age 14 miners son b 1856/7 Sampford Spiney DEV
Thomas CROSMAN son M age 10 miners son scholar b 1860/1 Sampford Spiney DEV
Celia CROSMAN dau F age 7 scholar b 1863/4 Sampford Spiney DEV
John CROSMAN son M age 4 scholar b 1866/7 Buckland Monachorum DEV

1881 Census of Tavistock DEV taken on 3 Apr 1881
Address:  Old Franco Cottage Buckland Monachorum DEV
Edwin CROSSMAN head mar M age 57 copper miner b 1823/4 Horrabridge DEV
Caroline CROSSMAN wife mar F age 59 copper miner wife b 1821/2 Collumpton DEV
Thomas CROSSMAN son unmar M age 20 copper miner b 1860/1 Horrabridge DEV
Celia CROSSMAN dau unmar F age 17 pupil teacher b 1863/4 Horrabridge DEV
John CROSSMAN son unmar M age 14 farm labourer b 1866/7 Horrabridge DEV