Tavistock CROSSMAN

[marcy-h]

Hi - this is my first Roots Chat post.  I've read with interest the posts regarding George Crossman (born 1806 in Tavistock).  George was my ggg grandfather.  I am descended from his son Philip Oats Crossman (born c.1830 Ilfracombe). 

From my own research I knew that George had married Mary Oates in Ilfracombe and sometime after her death in 1838 returned to Tavistock, presumably because he had family there.  I've read on here that there was some confusion over George's parents, i.e. which George and Elizabeth Crossman were his parents.  Has anybody reached a conclusion over George's parents?  Perhaps somebody can enlighten me.

Thanks

Marc

[Gossypium]

Hi Marc

I have George Crossman baptised 2 Mar 1781 at Tavistock s/o John Crossman and Joan Crossman and George Crossman married Elizabeth Jago on 21 Sep 1803 at Kelly whose third child was George Crossman baptised on 19 April 1806 at Tavistock who married Mary Oats on 20 April 1829 at Ilfracombe whose second child was Philip Oats Crossman baptised on 26 Dec 1830 at Ilfracombe.

[Hemmum]

Hi Marc
Welcome to the Crossman family. I agree with Nick – we spent some time on this! But to summarise;

There were two George Crossman’s in Tavistock married an Elizabeth.
1.   George 1775-1840 a carpenter who married Elizabeth Ford and
2.   George 1779 -1846 a Labourer who married Elizabeth Jago.

George 1. died 22 Jun 1840 at12 noon in Tavistock occupation a Carpenter aged 65 Philip Crossman from Two Bridges Tavistock was in attendance.
George 2. died aged 66 on 2 Jun 1846 while living at Lower Back Str Tavistock,  and was buried Dolvin Rd TE331335. A George Crossman was present at his death.

The informant of a death was usually a close family member.
Philip Crossman was also a carpenter (you can find him on the census) and was George 1. brother, they were both children of William Crossman and Ann Rubby.
(both carpenters a common occupation in this branch of the family)

George Crossman who reported George 2. (labourer) death I believe was his son.

Because A.
The marriage certificate for George Crossman’s second marriage 29 Oct 1848 at the Independent Chapel in the Tavistock Union to Mary Jane Carter. (His first marriage was to Mary Oats 1803-1836). His Fathers name is given as George Crossman a Labourer. The witnesses were Henry and Mary Ann Symons (I have looked on the census and the most likely candidates there are given as Simmons). George’s parents were both deceased by 1848.  There may be further evidence in the relationship of the witnesses but I have not found it!

Because B.
George 2. married Elizabeth Jago.
George Crossman 2. was himself the son of John and Joan Crossman.
George and Elizabeth first two children were John and Joan (twins) then a son George 1806 their last son was Robert (I believe named after Elizabeth’s Jago’s father). This may be relevant as George Jnr 1806 also named a son Robert in 1850. The given name Robert is not used in other branches of the Crossman family but is a Jago name.

Because C.
George 1. and family were mainly craftsmen carpenters and Masons.
George 2. and family were Agri Labs and later miners. George 1806 and later were Labourers but not Craftsmen.

George Jnr was living in Barleymarket St when buried 24 Feb 1858 in Dolvin Road Cemetary TE 340166 aged 54 G+E (born 1806?)
In 1866 aged 52 his second wife Mary Jane CROSSMAN nee Carter marries John ANGEL in Tavistock

The above is how I see the situation but obviously you must decide for yourself. I do have some notes on Phillip Oats Crossman and would be very interested in your research to confirm if I am correct.
Regards
Ros

[marcy-h]

Thanks Nick and Ros.  You've both been very helpful.  It's really good to take my Crossman ancestors back further.  I can see a lot of research has been done, so I am very grateful to you both.

Ros, the point you make about the occupations is very interesting - I've just looked at Philip's marriage certificate from 1852 and his father's occupation is labourer, so as you say they were not craftsmen. 

Hopefully I can help you out with Philip Oats Crossman, just let me know.  He was my grandfather's grandfather but died twenty years before he was born.

Kind regards
Marc
 

[Carrielouise]

Hi everyone.

Another Rootschat newby here. Am another Tavistock Crossman descendant. My gran was Joan Crossman, her dad was Thomas, his dad was John with his dad being the Edwin Crossman who married Caroline Holcombe. Edwin's parents being Elizabeth Phillips and William Crossman.

Pleased to make your acquaintance. I live relatively close to Whitchurch/buckland monochorum and tavistock, in Plympton.

Have read the thread with interest and gotten some pointers about my own ancestors.

Thanks all!

[Gossypium]

You may be interested to know that two distant male Crossman cousins took Y-DNA37 tests last year and the year before at FamilyTreeDNA and the results of the tests matched closely validating the family tree back to Robert Crossman baptised on 20 Dec 1815 in Tavistock.  This Robert is the most recent common ancestor of Peter Crossman and John Crossman who took the tests.  Any male Crossmans wishing to be tested should order a Y-DNA37 test here:
https://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Cross
The test is offered at a reduced fee from time to time.

[Carrielouise]

The last Crossman of my family died last year at 93. Lots of descendants but none with the Crossman name anymore.