Tavistock CROSSMAN

[Gossypium]

Hi DOB7  Unfortunately Deborah Carmichael the OPC for East Devon is no longer contactable as her email address on the OPC website is no longer valid:
http://www.geocities.com/opcdevon/index.html
My email enquiry to opcdevon at acay.com.au as to whether there is an OPC covering Tavistock and Kelly parishes was returned "bad destination", so unless you know who is the OPC for Tavistock there will be no look-ups for Tavistock other than you and Devon Record Office!

[DOB7]

There is no OPC for Tavistock, but there is for Kelly - see http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/Kelly/index.html as I previously indicated. (I am the originator of the Devon OPC scheme). Deborah Carmichael never covered any of the parishes in which you are interested. Neil Stanton covers Kelly.

[Gossypium]

Thanks.  Regarding the search for George Crossman's marriage to Elizabeth, it is likely to be records of his sons Robert and John and other siblings which will help to find the correct marriage.  You found Robert's baptism on 20 Dec 1815, son of George & Elizabeth CROSSMAN of Higher Brook Street Tavistock.  John is aged 50 in the 1851 census therefore born in Tavistock about 1801 and the IGI has his baptism on 19 Feb 1804 Tavistock (IGI Batch Number 7431232).  Please would you you look up John's baptism to see if there is an abode.  Is it easy for you to see if there are baptisms for other siblings between the years John and Robert were born?

[DOB7]

I'm sorry - my Tavistock resources are limited. (I am using the Devon FHS indices which are available through the society for purchase. They cover baptisms & burials 1813-1837 and marriages 1754-1837. For other dates, you will have to contact the Devon Record Office where you can purchase fiche of the registers or pay a fee to have them conduct the research.

[Gossypium]

Thanks,  IGI Batch Number 7431232 has these baptisms:
John CROSSMAN c. 19 Feb 1804, unmarried in 1841 & 1851 censuses which indicate b. abt 1801.
Robert CROSSMAN c. 20 Dec 1815, married 27 Nov 1835 Tavistock
William CROSSMAN c. 17 Aug 1808, must have died because another William was chr 1812

These below either died as infants or survived and maybe married bef 1841:
Joan CROSSMAN c. 19 Feb 1804
Mary CROSSMAN c. 18 May 1807
Elizabeth CROSSMAN c. 18 Aug 1810
William CROSSMAN c. 14 Oct 1812

[Gossypium]

Hello DOB7,

Previously you found the baptisms of Robert CROSSMAN c. 20 Dec 1815 Tavistock DEV s/o George CROSSMAN a labourer & Elizabeth of Higher Brook Street.IGI Batch 7431232

Our problem was that the mother's maiden name was not recorded there or in her death certificate.

The death certificate of George CROSSMAN, civil regs Jun 1846 Tavistock vol 9 page 271, shows he died aged 66 on 2 Jun 1846 at Lower Back Street Tavistock and in the informant column, the mark of George X CROSSMAN of Back Street Tavistock present at death

His age agrees to the age shown in the 1841 census (+/- 1 year), so I think this is the George we are interested in and it appears he has a relative George who was informant although the relationship is not stated.

If the informant was his son, this may be him:  George CROSSMAN c. 19 Apr 1806 Tavistock s/o George CROSSMAN & Elizabeth FORD IGI Film  457769 & 448044

However the only George born about 1806 I can find in the 1841 census lives with wife Mary in Ilfacombe.  In the 1881 census there is a George born 1835 Tavistock living with wife Sarah, and the IGI indicates a baptism of this George on 13 May 1836 at Tavistock.  Can you find this baptism?

Can you find another George born about 1806 in Tavistock in the 1851 census?

[DOB7]

THe 1836 GEorge CROSSMAN baptism shown on the IGI is a Bible Christian baptism at the Shebbear Chapel, and not therefore on the Tavistock parish register. According to the IGI, his parents were George CROSSMAN & Sarah MULLISS. I have no idea who they are - you will need to have the DFHS marriage index for CROSSMAN searched.
THe 1851 census shows GEorge 1806 & wife Mary living in Tavistock, with 2 children born in Ilfracombe and 2 in Tavistock.

[Gossypium]

Thank you.  Below are the entries in baptism registers of Tavistock which need to be seen and checked:

John CROSSMAN c. 19 Feb 1804 Tavistock DEV s/o George CROSSMAN & Elizabeth IGI Batch 7431232 who was born about 1801 per 1851 census
Joan CROSSMAN c. 19 Feb 1804 Tavistock DEV d/o George CROSSMAN & Elizabeth IGI Batch 7431232
Mary CROSSMAN c. 18 May 1807 Tavistock DEV d/o George CROSSMAN & Elizabeth IGI Batch 7431232
William CROSSMAN c. 17 Aug 1808 Tavistock DEV died 19 Feb 1812 s/o George CROSSMAN & Elizabeth IGI Batch 7431232
Elizabeth CROSSMAN c. 18 Aug 1810 Tavistock DEV d/o George CROSSMAN & Elizabeth IGI Batch 7431232
William CROSSMAN c. 14 Oct 1812 Tavistock DEV s/o George CROSSMAN & Elizabeth IGI Batch 7431232
Robert CROSSMAN c. 20 Dec 1815 Tavistock DEV s/o George CROSSMAN a labourer & Elizabeth of Higher Brook Street.IGI Batch 7431232

[Hemmum]

Any disagreements? I would be reluctant to disagree with others more experienced and as I said on my first post as I have only started with the IGI I could easily misunderstand the information.

I assume from your post you are combining the children of George and Elizabeth Ford and George and Elizabeth into one family?

You have used IGI film 457769. My first reason to believed that they were two families is the Family Group Record from this film it shows a burial for Elizabeth Ford 7 Sep 1811 Tavistock Devon.  Her birth is given as 1774 Tavistock and her marriage to George Crossman 4 May 1799. There are only three children mentioned Elizabeth 1802, George 1806 and William 1806.  These three children are on film 457769.

If Elizabeth Ford was buried in 1811 that was before William 1812 and Robert 1815 were born. Because of the 1851 we also know that John 1804 was Roberts brother.  I then assumed that the seven children on IGI batch were not her children but belonged to another Elizabeth who married another George Crossman.

My second reason for believing there were families is that as I said in previous posts is that there were two George's married to an Elizabeth.  I believe that the George married to Elizabeth Ford was the other Georges cousin.

The IGI film 488044 shows both Georges.
Page 0075 ref 1107. George Crossman christened 16 Jan 1776 Tavistock father William Crossman mother Ann Rubby who married Elizabeth Ford 4 May 1799.
Page 0037 ref 0971. George Crossman christened 2 Mar 1781 Tavistock father John Crossman mother Joan. Spouse is unavailable.

According to the 1841 census we are looking for George Crossman born 1779 +or- and according to his death certificate he was born about 1780.  I feel that the second George is more likely.

The only other possible reference to a possible marriage for the second George on the IGI has no source available but gives a marriage about 1803 Tavistock Devon to Mrs Elizabeth Crossman. However the burial date is 4 Jun 1846 (which agrees) and the christening date is 2 Mar 1781 Taviststock.

It is interesting that George Crossman witnessed the death of George Crossman in 1846. One would assume that it would be a close family member (would a cousin count)?

We know that George Crossman was living next door to his youngest son Robert on the 1841 census in Brook Street Tavistock. We know that George witnessed the death of his wife Elizabeth 9 Aug 1845 at Brook Street Tavistock.  George Crossman dies 10 months later at the same address. Perhaps it does seem strange that Robert was not present and likely to assume that George was also a son.

DOB7
Is it possible to check if there was a death/burial for Elizabeth Crossman nee Ford on 7 Sep 1811 in Tavistock as given on IGI film 457769.
This may clarify the problem. You help would be appreciated.