Interesting Baptism Suggestion. 1763-1764.

[coombs]

Hi

My 5xgreat grandfather was Richard Titshall who died in June 1811 aged 47 (born 1763-1764). He had married Sarah Fairweather in 1785 in Brandeston, Suffolk and one of the witnesses was William Titshall. In Richard's will, he named William as his brother. William lived until 1844 aged 84 so born around 1760. The family were corn millers.

At the Suffolk Records Office I found a settlement certificate for 1768 stating Richard and Judith Titshall, a miller, and their sons William and Richard had legally become settled in the parish of Laxfield. They were also subject to another settlement cert in 1769 when they moved to Dennington. Judith died there in 1782. Richard Snr was also a corn miller.

I found William's baptism in May 1760 in Laxfield. Son of Richard and Judith Titshall. Trouble is I cannot locate Richard Jnrs 1763/4 baptism anywhere. Laxfield, Framlingham, Dennington and I have tried many, many surrounding villages and have been unable to locat a baptism in around 1764 for him. I have evidence of the family moving around as in 1748 Richard and Judith wed in Bury St Edmunds. I even tried there and their home parishes of Barham and Bardwell for Richard Jnrs baptism but nothing.

They were in Laxfield in 1760, Framlingham in 1768, Laxfield in 1769 and from 1769 onwards in Dennington until 1784ish when they ended up in Hacheston.

Someone at the Suffolk Records Office Lowestoft branch suggested that Richard born in 1764 may have been christened in a local workhouse. If I have evidence of settlement certificates then this is a possibility. They may have fallen on hard times and were in the workhouse at the time of Richards birth or Judith had a tough pregnancy and gave birth inside the workhouse. I have proof of Richards parentage and such but myself and a few cousins who are also descendants would love to locate his baptism.

Ben

[windy_miller]

Hi Ben,

I'm interested in your milling connections.  I have several Titshall recorded in my Mills database, all of them either called Richard or William.  In all case they are millers.

My records are as follows:-

Dennington    1753  Richard   Miller at Saunder's Mill?
Alderton         1791  William   Marriage License
Redlingfield    1798  Richard   Ipswich Journal
Framlingham  1802  Richard   Removal Order
Marlesford     1830  William    Ipswich Journal
Hacheston     1830  Richard   Ipswich Journal
Parham          1864  Richard   Directory

Most of these I have dates and ref. numbers for.  Would they be of use to you?

I would be interested in any mill/miller related connection you might have.  With so many Richards/Williams about it is hard to clear who is who!

Cheers,

Windy Miller

[Suffolk Mawther]

Could the family have been Wesleyan Methodists at one time?

Perhaps he was baptised on the Framlingham and Peasenhall Circuit?

Just a thought 

Pat ...

[coombs]

Hi Windy Miller

Could you give me more info on the 1753 Dennington one please? This is the most interesting. They lived in Dennington in the 1770s as well.

Suffolkmawther what was the Framlingham and Peasenhall Circuit.

Ben

[Suffolk Mawther]

Wesleyan Methodist

Pat ...

[windy_miller]

Ben,

Will have to get back to you on that particular entry as it comes from mill site owners documents and I'll need to arrange a visit there.  I'm away for a few weeks (Oz) but will get back to you when I return.

Could the name have changed as I have a few Titsell's (Fitshall, etc) listed too.....?

Hacheston    1790   Richard Fitshall   Ipswich Journal
Alderton        1790   William Fitshall   Ipswich Journal
Hacheston    1830   Richard Titsell     Pigot's Directory

You may want to check for similar elsewhere.

Windy miller

[Suffolk Mawther]

Ben, do you have a copy of the wonderful Titshall brothers book, In a Long Day, the Titshall photographs of farm and village life that Dave Kindred produced a few years ago?

Ralph and his brother Leonard lived in Ipswich at 436 Spring Road (the house having been built by one of the older brothers in the family).
Their family had been millers.

They were photographers and for some reason (for which local and family historians will be forever grateful) they took lots of photographs (well several hundred glass plate negs) of ordinary everyday life in Suffolk in the 1920s and 30s.

I have a feeling I asked once before if you had the book, but can't remember an answer.

If you have got it - sorry for the rambling 

Pat ...

[coombs]

Hi Pat and Windy

Thanks for the new Titshall info. It is good to look at spelling variants.

I have that book by Ralph and Leonard Titshall yes.

Richard Titshall wed Judith Scarfe in 1748 in Bury St Edmunds, so 5 years later in 1753 he was in Dennington then? I know that he was in Laxfield in 1760, so they must have moved to East Suffolk in about 1750 then.

Ben

[coombs]

Hi

I am going to the Suffolk Records Office today.

Windy I have taken notes of your finds and will see if I can find anything more out about the Titshall Miller references.

Richard Titshall wed Judith Scarfe in 1748 in Bury St Edmunds. They appeared to have had their first child in 1760 though. In 1768 they were the subject of a settlement order, which was found by my uncle on a visit to Ipswich RO 3 years ago. December 1768 and it said Richard, Judith and their children William and Richard.

It seems odd that they wed in 1748 but didnt have their first child until 1760. 11 years of no passion  . I never knew until Windy discovered for me that the Titshalls were in Dennington in 1753. This narrows down when they moved from West to East Suffolk then. Wow. My cousins will be well pleased as they are avid Titshall researchers.

I will look through the PRs for Dennington to see if there are any Titshall baptisms 1750-1759 there. They may have had children before 1760 that died, or went to sea, or she may have had a string of miscarriages or stillbirths.

It would be great to find Richard Titshall's 1763/1764 baptism. I shall follow the Framlingham & Peasenhall circuit reference.

Ben