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Re: need help dating clothing
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 31 December 08 09:31 GMT (UK) »
so young Fred could " have been learning his trade by 1861 he would have been abt 20....  used his Dads stationary too  ;D ;D ;D

I go along with Pru, early 1860s from the type of clothes, hair over the ears, crimoline, peter pan collar and dropped shoulder line - oh and nearly forgot the bonnets ::)

Now why can't my family have old photos like this :'(  You are very lucky to have such an early photo and in very good condition.

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« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 31 December 08 09:44 GMT (UK) »
1861

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Frederick Downer, nephew, 20, artist, b. Watford

So after 1861 and before 1871  :-\ :-\


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« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 31 December 08 10:04 GMT (UK) »
Hi Buckeye

Welcome to Rootschat and Happy New Year.

Had a tinker with your photo but it really needs to be scanned at 300 ppi to do it justice.

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« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 31 December 08 10:44 GMT (UK) »
What a lovely photographic study. I would agree with the date line given. The woman on the left of the photograph has her bonnet placed to the back of her head (same as the other woman has) which is tied under the chin by broad stringing (ribbons) this was a fashion trend in the late 1850's and throughout the 1860's. Her sleeving may be a style known as a Bishop sleeve but I can not see its full length but as she has a large epaulette at the shoulder seam it would have been taken before 1870 as this was the date period that this form of style started to disappear from fashion. The woman on the right has Gabrielle sleeving which was/is a style formed by the bunching up of the sleeve material in to seperate "puffs" running down the arm. Again this style can be found in the 1860's. The man is seen wearing a three piece Sac suit with the material appearing to be of the same type for all three pieces. Both Jacket (which would have only been fastened  by the very top button) and waist coat are edged off and the waist coat is buttoned high and would show above the lapels of the Sac coat.

As for the photographer I can find nothing about him on line save for a reference to a Frederick Downer, a Frederick Downer & Son, and a Frederick Downer junior, all of which relate to being photographers. Wether this is the same man or not I do not know but looking at the 1881 census Frederick Downer, artist and photographer, had a son also called Frederick so the latter may have been the " & son" and "junior" mentioned above.

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« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 31 December 08 12:56 GMT (UK) »
Wow!  You folks are very knowledgable.  I do so appreciate you taking your  time with this photo.  The scan that I am including has the photo placed on a background paper which is not part of the photo (my scanner tends to square the scans off).  There are 3 more photos that appear to my untrained eye to have been taken about the same time with same photographer.  Myg-g-grandfather, James Pinniger, came to Ohio in 1852 so perhaps these were sent to him later.

Thank you again and Happy New Year......buckeye

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« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 31 December 08 13:02 GMT (UK) »
The younger woman reading the letter would be the most fashion conscious
and the Bishop's sleeve wasn't seen 1870 also her hairstyle is early - mid 1860's so have to agree with the others.

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« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 31 December 08 13:05 GMT (UK) »
To mention the lady with the letter again does indicate a "thinking of you" sentiment.Letter from son/brother,photo in return.
Put the others up we'd love to see them.

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« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 31 December 08 13:43 GMT (UK) »
It is great to have been loaned these photos from another family member, but it is very frustrating to have no idea who the people are.  I have no documented information about them before they came to the US.  Perhaps I'll have more luck in '09.  Thank you for your interest.....Patricia

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« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 31 December 08 13:48 GMT (UK) »
My last Downer photo