The Mystery of the Missing Marshalls

[Annie65115]

Can anyone help me find my Marshalls?

In 1841, the Marshall family were living at Welford Rd, Leic, and consisted of William, age about 35, a hosier; Sophia, 15; Frances, 11 and Emma, 2. William is shown as having been born out of the county, the girls were all born in leicester.

I believe that William had married Mary Ann Rawson in 1822 at St Margaret's Leicester; there was a Sophia born to this couple in April 1822 (IGI). I can't find any birth record for Frances. Emma was almost certainly Emma Rawson Marshall, b 1838 Leic. Mary Ann died in 1839.

In 1851 Frances married and gave her address as Desford but the rest of the family doesn't seem to be there (it was the village whence came her husband). I've been able to trace Frances's life but not the others.

I can't find any trace of Sophia after 1841 - no marraige, no death, no census returns.

In 1851 there are 2xEmma Marshalls -- one is living with her parents John and Alice (so not the right one) and the other is a boarder at Mis Coopers' School in Hoton -- but why/how could the child of a widowed hosier end up being sent to a private school? And what became of her after that? Again, no census returns, nothing identifiable on BMD for marraige or death.

I can't identify William either after the 1841 census. He isn't a witness at Frances's marraige but it doesn't state that he was deceased either at that time.

Does anyone have any suggestions regarding other lines of enquiry for this family? I'm particularly intrigued about the possibility that Emma may have been sent to school.

(My grandmother always swore that there was "Money" in the family somewhere but I haven't found it yet -- unless William won the lottery!!  )

[AMBLY]

Hi Annie

This chap in 1851, enumerated alone - looks promising for William:

7 Curzon Place, Leicester St Margaret,  Leicestershire
HO107 /  Piece: 2088 /  Folio: 472 /  Page: 18
Head: William MARSHALL 49., widower, Glover, b Winsford, Cheshire

He's certainley in a "right kind of place" - on the same page is a visitor to the household above him who is a Seamer of Hose, and a butcher's daughter further upm who is a Mender of Hose!

Cheers
AMBLY

[Annie65115]

well, I think I might have got a lead on Emma (having thought I'd exhausted all avenues before posting here!)

I found an Emma R Uglow, b Leicester 1840, living in West Teignmouth in 1871 with a husband and child. FreeBMD shows that William Uglow married Emma Marshall in Honiton in 1864 but what seems most relevant is that their child was Ernest RAWSON Uglow, and a previous child was RAWSON William Uglow.

So I assume that this was Emma RAWSON Uglow nee Marshall -- but how she ended up in Devon, I don't know.

So - can anyone help me find her somewhere in 1861? And does anyone have any idea as to why she might have been sent to school - hardly common amongst working class girls in the 1850s!

Ambly, thanks for looking for William. That's certainly a possibility though again I can't find him in 1861- perhaps he'd died.

Can anyone find any trace of Sophia?

thanks again

[Hazel17]

Maybe after the death of her mother there was a relative somewhere who was financially better off who decided who take her under their wing to help William out? Maybe it wasn't a private school but some sort of charity?
A father can be listed on the marriage certifcate and be deceased but not necessarily listed as being deceased.
I had a good look for Emma in 1861 using Marshall and Rawson as surnames but I saw no-one likely.

[Annette7]

Have found Emma in 1861 in Devon - her surname transcribed as 'Manhill' and looking at original I can see why it was transcribed as such.   

1861 Census - Ottery St. Mary, Devon - ref.RG9 - 1378 - 76 - 9

Emma Marshall     Visitor  22     School Assistant       b. Leicester
(in household of a Sarah Warren   Marr.   39     Ironmongers wife, with her 4yr old son Edward and a sundry collection of apprentices, 2 nieces and servant). 

Annette

[Mike from Leicester]

Greeting’s again. ……… Annie 5115.

St: Margaret’s Parish Baptism Registers :~

Reg. No', 2024   24D65 B2   17 th.Apr   1822   Sophia   Marshall   William & Marianne
No sign of either Frances or Emma. …..

I’m not sure about your death of Mary Anne ( Williams wife) 1839. ?
The only Marshall Burial record matching your details is as follows :~

St: Margaret’s Parish Church.
Marshall   Mary Ann   18 th.   Dec   1839   Aged.2 Yrs    

Possible Burial for William going on the Address & age ( 1851 census) . ?

Welford Road Cemetery
Plot No’. C. M. 377.

377   C   MARSHALL   WILLIAM   1852   MAY   20   Aged. 50   
CURZON PLACE CURZON STREET   
SAINT GEORGE   999   
377   C   Offlow   ---   1852   May   20   Stbn   Leicester Asylum   Market Harborough Leicestershire   1001   Child Of Elizabeth
377   C   Gwilliams   Walter   1880   Aug   16   18mths   Johnson Street   Saint Margaret   21661   
377   C   Gwilliams   Thomas   1880   Oct   23   3   Johnson Street   Saint Margaret   21912   
377   C   Kilbourn   Arthur Edwin   1898   Apr   23   11mths   Calais Street   Leicester   41272   
377   C   Skinner   Grace Nellie   1917   Jun   4   19mths   22 Eldon Street   Leicester   56902   
377   C   Skinner   Annie Irene   1918   Dec   5   12mths   22 Eldon Street   Leicester   58110   

Abv. :~

C. = Consecrated Ground.
M. = Section.
377. = Plot No’.
Last column = Burial No’.
C. = Common plot. ( No Leases taken out by Family.)

With regards to why a young Girl from a low income family
should be in a Girls finishing School ?
I have read that there was a Girls finishing School
in the Borough of Leicester ( The Newarke )
Were local Business were asked to sponsor a Girl for 6/- per week.
So. …..
This could be an other way for Emma to have been at that School. ? 

MIKE. 
 

[Annie65115]

Once again, thankyou to everyone!

Mike, re Mary Ann's death, she must have died between Emma's birth and the 1841 census and I found 2x Mary Ann Marshall deaths registered in different quarters of 1839 - the one that you mention, and one in q1 of the same year.

In 1841 the family were living in the St Mary's part of the city so perhaps they used a different church?

Thankyou, Annette, for the 1861 census finding! And if Emma was a schoolteacher, that would back up the idea that she had some schooling herself.

I have another hunch re the school in 1851. In 1871, staying with Emma and her husband are 2 people called Dally who are listed as "aunt" and "cousin" of the head of household. However, they originate from Leic so I think they were Emma's relatives, not William's, and tracking them back through the censuses I see that the aunt was widowed before 1851 and must have inherited money or property from her husband - she appears to be called a "proprietress of houses" or similar. Two of her children were at different boarding schools in 1851 so perhaps she took Emma under her wing too. So I'm going to try to find out if Aunt Harriet Dally (or Dalby, Dolby etc etc!) was actually a Rawson by birth.

Oh, I do enjoy a good puzzle 

[Mike from Leicester]

Greeting’s again Annie. …. 65115.

Sorry I was going on most events were at St.Margaret’s Parish Church.

Here’s the other one for
St: Mary’s Parish Church. Leicester.
Marshall   Mary Ann   4.Th.   Jan   1839   Aged. 36


To make amends . …Is this the missing details for Sophia ?

Marshall   Sophia   29.Th.   Nov   1844   Aged. 22

MIKE.

[Annie65115]

Thankyou Mike! Once again I think you've come up trumps!

Do you have a birth registration for Emma Rawson Marshall q4 1838? I wonder if Mary Ann died of the result of childbirth.

cheers
Annie